PapaSmurf
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6-7 seconds for me. The way I do it is coll, which is similar in length to pll (maybe slightly shorter tbh), then epll, which is very fast. Just drill your algs.
About OHLL, i recommend doing full CPLS (120 algs) and 2GLLYeah I sometimes try too hard to preserve blocks and it ends up backfiring. I'll try to work on my TPS, particularly during EOLine, since it is the hardest to finger trick. How fast can you execute LL in OH?
leors, rouxs EO and 2GRs too.
Thanks! What is a "LEO," though?
All you can do is practice. There's no way around it. Keep practicing until you can plan EO.Bump.
I'm checking out ZZ and decided I want to get ok at it(by my standards). Most of my solve is decent, but EO is awful(which is to be expected). Most of the time I can't plan out EO with 30 seconds of inspection. Any tips?
Also I want to take some time to talk about how awesome ZZ is. I did a few solves with EO(not line/cross) finished just to see how my F2L and LL were, and I quickly got a 10.25 and 11.34 because of an OLL skip->Jb perm and a PLL skip, respectively(CFOP PB is 12.22, although of course I skipped EO for both those ZZ solves). Also I'm sub-15ish without EO, yet when I have to do EO I'm around 25.
As WarriorCatCuber said, just practice, it's the best way. Try to inspect it fully every solve, even if it takes you 10 minutes.Bump.
I'm checking out ZZ and decided I want to get ok at it(by my standards). Most of my solve is decent, but EO is awful(which is to be expected). Most of the time I can't plan out EO with 30 seconds of inspection. Any tips?
Also I want to take some time to talk about how awesome ZZ is. I did a few solves with EO(not line/cross) finished just to see how my F2L and LL were, and I quickly got a 10.25 and 11.34 because of an OLL skip->Jb perm and a PLL skip, respectively(CFOP PB is 12.22, although of course I skipped EO for both those ZZ solves). Also I'm sub-15ish without EO, yet when I have to do EO I'm around 25.
My ZZF2L is really bad, I think my main issues are bad efficiency, probably partly cause I'm used to Roux which has more freedom, and I have horrible lookahead and pauses, especially in between finishing line and starting blocks. Any tips?
From what I understand, you save moves but also cut out a large portion of algs, albiet losing a lot of good ones, but also a lot of bad ones, and are left with only the mostly-good ones, and they all happen to be 2gen.Regarding ZZ-d and CPLS, I'm having a hard time seeing the advantage versus doing corner permutation after completing F2L. You save maybe 2 moves versus doing a last layer alg like Niklas, you don't save a look, and the recognition is worse. Am I missing something?
I get that you reduce the alg count, but this is true whether you do CP as CPLS or if you do it after completing F2L. You end up in the same cube state either way. As a ZZ noob and intuitive solver who hates learning algs, I am using a 3-look system of CPLL/COLL/EPLL for OH. I could get it down to a 2 look last layer if I did CPLS or another CP method, but I don't see any benefit to doing CP earlier in the solve - it just makes recognition harder.From what I understand, you save moves but also cut out a large portion of algs, albiet losing a lot of good ones, but also a lot of bad ones, and are left with only the mostly-good ones, and they all happen to be 2gen.
So its more a thing you would want to try in OH, but its also not the best thing in general, which is why no one uses it.
Personally, the idea of sticking with OCLL and PLL is growing on me. I think that because its such a small set, its very possible to optimize your execution of the algs reasonably easily and learn things like two sided PLL recognition.What alg set should I start on next after PLL? I was thinking maybe some WV
Is COLL/EPLL worth it for OH?
Personally, the idea of sticking with OCLL and PLL is growing on me. I think that because its such a small set, its very possible to optimize your execution of the algs reasonably easily and learn things like two sided PLL recognition.
I'm not a big fan of COLL/PLL as a set on its own. I think that learning COLL recognition is very useful for predicting PLL (especially in concatonation with systems like JOLL). If you're not going to stick with PLL, I would suggest only using COLL as a stepping stone for ZBLL.
I don't know much about WV, but learning and using some of the simple ones (U R U2 R', R U R' U' R U' R', etc.) is worth it IMO.