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[Help Thread] ZZ method / EOLine Discussion

PapaSmurf

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I pretty much agree with everything that's been said. Only learn the super easy winter variations, but I would say learn T COLL and then T ZBLL as a long term project (a few months) then build on your ZBLL knowledge from there. Then do the same for U, then L, then H, then Pi (if you want to).
 

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Thanks! I've never been a big fan of learning algs(It's not hard, I can just never motivate myself to do it), so I think I'll just stick with OCLL/PLL for now and just pick up a few easy WV/SV cases. What's JOLL? I can't find anything on the wiki
JOLL (Jayden OLL (?)) is an edge recognition system to help predict opposite or adjacent edge cases for PLL, but I think its mostly for OLLs with edge flips. Jay has a bunch of videos about it on his channel.
So, I guess the equivalent would be to learn partial ZBLL recognition to help predict PLL (adj corner swap + phased edges narrows it down from 21 PLLs to T, F, or A perm), after you learn COLL recognition to predict your corner case. And learn cool things like headlights and AUF prediction.
 
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I pretty much agree with everything that's been said. Only learn the super easy winter variations, but I would say learn T COLL and then T ZBLL as a long term project (a few months) then build on your ZBLL knowledge from there. Then do the same for U, then L, then H, then Pi (if you want to).
JOLL (Jayden OLL (?)) is an edge recognition system to help predict opposite or adjacent edge cases for PLL, but I think its mostly for OLLs with edge flips. Jay has a bunch of videos about it on his channel.
So, I guess the equivalent would be to learn partial ZBLL recognition to help predict PLL (adj corner swap + phased edges narrows it down from 21 PLLs to T, F, or A perm), after you learn COLL recognition to predict your corner case. And learn cool things like headlights and AUF prediction.
@ProStar are you gonna do all this? Lol I'm too lazy for any of it.
 
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please just post this in a mega thread, don't make new threads for single questions like this. You recog ZZ EO by this:

(I'm using the white top green front orientation)
for the edges in the U and D layer, the top sticker has to either be yellow or white, if the yellow or white sticker is on the side, then it's a bad edge, if an edge doesn't have a white or yellow, here: if the side sticker of the edge matches the R or L face's color then it's a good edge but if the side sticker matches the F or B face's color then it's a bad edge.

for the edges in the E slice (the middle layer) if the front sticker's color (the sticker that's facing you) is white or yellow, then it's a good edge but if it has white or yellow on the side then it's a bad edge, but if the edge doesn't have yellow or white, then here:
if the edge's front sticker doesn't have blue or green, then it's a bad edge

keep in mind that this is on the white top green front orientation.
 

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Im trying to move from EOline to EOcross for ZZ since someone suggested its better. After a while on YouTube i cant find a video explaining the concept of EOcross or how to do it efficiently just like how jperm has tutorials for cfop cross. Any advice on EOcross?
 

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Im trying to move from EOline to EOcross for ZZ since someone suggested its better. After a while on YouTube i cant find a video explaining the concept of EOcross or how to do it efficiently just like how jperm has tutorials for cfop cross. Any advice on EOcross?
EOcross is tough to master. For starters, I'd recommend doing EO -> cross. As you get more advanced, you can do influencing during EO to make cross pieces end up in more favorable positions. At the high level, you're basically solving them together. Be sure to practice both being efficient, and being able to plan as much as possible. The goal is to be able to plan a roughly sub-10 HTM solution (depends on how neutral you are) within the 15 seconds inspection time. This isn't easy, so don't be discouraged.

Check out my eocross website if you want to find good solutions for EOcross. It splits EO and cross, so the solutions are relatively intuitive.

If you want any help on ZZ, we'd be happy to help on the ZMS server
 

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EOcross is tough to master. For starters, I'd recommend doing EO -> cross. As you get more advanced, you can do influencing during EO to make cross pieces end up in more favorable positions. At the high level, you're basically solving them together. Be sure to practice both being efficient, and being able to plan as much as possible. The goal is to be able to plan a roughly sub-10 HTM solution (depends on how neutral you are) within the 15 seconds inspection time. This isn't easy, so don't be discouraged.

Check out my eocross website if you want to find good solutions for EOcross. It splits EO and cross, so the solutions are relatively intuitive.

If you want any help on ZZ, we'd be happy to help on the ZMS server
thank you so much
 
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