[Help Thread] ZBLL Discussion and Help

[willtri4]

dumb question: why not instead of memorizing all the ZBLL's and 1LLL, why not just memorize each case and what the OLL does to the PLL, so in effect you could still 1 look it, but all the algs would be standard?

The extra time it takes to recognize 1LLL/ZBLL is longer than it takes to recognize PLL.

 

[CubeWizard23]

The extra time it takes to recognize 1LLL/ZBLL is longer than it takes to recognize PLL.

basically instead of memorizng algs for each case you memorize for case pi -4 you do this OLL a U' and then a t perm, so its still 1ll but without memorizing algs for each specific case.... am i making sense?

 

[Praetorian]

basically instead of memorizng algs for each case you memorize for case pi -4 you do this OLL a U' and then a t perm, so its still 1ll but without memorizing algs for each specific case.... am i making sense?

do you mean cancelling into PLLs after OLL?

an example would be having a T OLL 6 move case and having a Y Perm afterwards. if you know that you'll have a Y Perm after finishing the OLL alg you can just cancel into it as F R U R' U' R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F'

 

[4Chan]

basically instead of memorizng algs for each case you memorize for case pi -4 you do this OLL a U' and then a t perm, so its still 1ll but without memorizing algs for each specific case.... am i making sense?

That's still inferior because you'd still have to do recognition. That's also a ton of work for all the possible cases.

If you're going to do that much effort, you could just learn the ZBLL/1LLL, because the memorising the recognition and all that is like, 60% of the way there already.

 

[KRAMIST]

i am going to start learning the H set and if it improves my time then i will try and go for other sets

a spreadsheet for it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WbF9hJFNSR-8SgPL1kcv8K23It6pe_IsxQJEg_P9-8k/edit#gid=0

 

[OLLiver]

i am going to start learning the H set and if it improves my time then i will try and go for other sets

a spreadsheet for it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WbF9hJFNSR-8SgPL1kcv8K23It6pe_IsxQJEg_P9-8k/edit#gid=0

A word of advice- don't expect instant improvement, give it at least 1-2 months of knowing the algs before it starts to get exciting

 

[Praetorian]

I got like 7 COLL algorithms left to learn, 2 Pis, 2 U's and 3 T's not counting suns or antisunes

 

[OLLiver]

I got like 7 COLL algorithms left to learn, 2 Pis, 2 U's and 3 T's not counting suns or antisunes

You going for ZB man?

 

[Praetorian]

You going for ZB man?

we'll see..sometimes using COLL instead of OCLL slows me down, i know some easy ZBLLs along with COLLs that I know will skip EPLL

perhaps some day i might

 

[OLLiver]

we'll see..sometimes using COLL instead of OCLL slows me down, i know some easy ZBLLs along with COLLs that I know will skip EPLL

perhaps some day i might

Well its always better to start early I'm my opinion

 

[Praetorian]

Well its always better to start early I'm my opinion

probably when i start you'll already have learned them all lol

 

[Bindedsa]

i am going to start learning the H set and if it improves my time then i will try and go for other sets

a spreadsheet for it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WbF9hJFNSR-8SgPL1kcv8K23It6pe_IsxQJEg_P9-8k/edit#gid=0

Your times will not improve noticeably, you might get some good singles after quite a lot of practice, but any drop in your averages is hard to find the cause of.

 

[2180161]

Ok. So for ZBLL I'm going in the order H,T,U,L, and still debating over S/AS. Any thoughts of changes in the order?

 

[gyroninja]

Ok. So for ZBLL I'm going in the order H,T,U,L, and still debating over S/AS. Any thoughts of changes in the order?

What about Pi?

 

[2180161]

What about Pi?

forgot about that. After H. The new order is H,Pi,T,U,L,S,AS. That is, if I decide to learn S/AS.

 

[sqAree]

Why would you not learn S/AS? It would still benefit the times wouldn't it?

 

[2180161]

Why would you not learn S/AS? It would still benefit the times wouldn't it?

Yes but for COLL I still have issues with recog. for them (about 0.5 sec).

 

[OLLiver]

Yes but for COLL I still have issues with recog. for them (about 0.5 sec).

Just learn the other ones then decide if you want to do S/As. Your main focus now should be to learn the first 5 subsets as fast and as well as possible

 

[2180161]

Just learn the other ones then decide if you want to do S/As. Your main focus now should be to learn the first 5 subsets as fast and as well as possible

About learning the sets. Do you think it would be efficient to learn them by doing the 2GLL cases then the ZZLL cases (for said OCLL), or learn all the cases for a specific COLL?

 

[OLLiver]

About learning the sets. Do you think it would be efficient to learn them by doing the 2GLL cases then the ZZLL cases (for said OCLL), or learn all the cases for a specific COLL?

Definitely learn all the cases for a COLL case. Without a doubt