WRC Statement on Frame-by-Frame Analysis

[Kami-Kun]

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where was this said?

 

[stoic]

... the only thing that changed is they can now frame count videos (and you can arguably see it real time) to see if penalties occurred.

I'm not sure if you misspoke, but a small correction: the decision allows for frame-by-frame analysis to pause or slow down the video, (from the text of the announcement: "breaking a regulation, when such violations would not be seen by a judge in real time"), rather than frame counting (which should be treated as an other thing altogether, as it's riddled with potential problems).

 

[BVCuber13]

Like most people, no one has the attention span to listen to a guy read an email for 6 minutes, so I'll put a tl dr from curtis chai

Board vetoed wrc unanimous decision and no more appeal is possible and board says that penalizing yihengs wr is “picking and choosing” which solves should be penalized so they decided that the cheated avg should stand

yeah that's complete bs, WCA board has gotta do smth about this or else ppl are gonna hate them

 

[An Animating Cuber]

I'm not sure if you misspoke, but a small correction: the decision allows for frame-by-frame analysis to pause or slow down the video, (from the text of the announcement: "breaking a regulation, when such violations would not be seen by a judge in real time"), rather than frame counting (which should be treated as an other thing altogether, as it's riddled with potential problems).

Yeah I know it’s frame by frame analysis but I like using Frame counting because the former term seems clunky and long imo.

 

[Gil.zussman]

I'm not sure if you misspoke, but a small correction: the decision allows for frame-by-frame analysis to pause or slow down the video, (from the text of the announcement: "breaking a regulation, when such violations would not be seen by a judge in real time"), rather than frame counting (which should be treated as an other thing altogether, as it's riddled with potential problems).

This is false, as the practice of frame by frame analysis was already used by the WRC to retroactovely penalize Netanel Pour's Continental Record, for false start using frame by frame analysis, just as Yihengs case.

Also, if you read the leaked email of the WRC, they cite another case which this practice was used before. Also, Graham Siggins was also penalized out of a WR using a frame by frame analysis.

 

[stoic]

This is false, as the practice of frame by frame analysis was already used by the WRC to retroactovely penalize Netanel Pour's Continental Record, for false start using frame by frame analysis, just as Yihengs case.

Also, if you read the leaked email of the WRC, they cite another case which this practice was used before. Also, Graham Siggins was also penalized out of a WR using a frame by frame analysis.

I'm not sure I follow. I'm talking about frame counting, (i.e. saying that 0.8s at say 50 frames per second should correspond to 40 frames of video, and counting frames to deduce a theoretical solve time) being distinct from frame-by-frame analysis (e.g. reviewing successive frames to demonstrate sliding start).
Did frame counting happen in the cases you cite?

 

[Gil.zussman]

I'm not sure I follow. I'm talking about frame counting, (i.e. saying that 0.8s at say 50 frames per second should correspond to 40 frames of video, and counting frames to deduce a theoretical solve time) being distinct from frame-by-frame analysis (e.g. reviewing successive frames to demonstrate sliding start).
Did frame counting happen in the cases you cite?

I was referring specifically to frame by frame analysis

 

[somecuber23]

where was this said?

Post #175 in the forum

 

[Isabellikesmaths]

where was this said?

Jayden McNeill said it on the WCA forum.

 

[siwoo]

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Shakespeare weeps in the presence of protesting Rubik's Cubers on the WCA forums

 

[Justincubes]

Yeah I know it’s frame by frame analysis but I like using Frame counting because the former term seems clunky and long imo.

The two are completely different terms with separate meanings; frame counting involves counting every single frame while the solver is solving in the video and then dividing it by the amount of frames per second in the recording (usually 30 or 60). Frame by frame analysis involves going through every single frame of a solve to analyze it at the slowest speed possible, which can be used to easily assess allegations of sliding or other faulty timer starts/stops.

 

[stoic]

I was referring specifically to frame by frame analysis

OK but you replied to me and said

This is false

So... we agree? Or did you not mean to quote me?

 

[Gil.zussman]

OK but you replied to me and said

So... we agree? Or did you not mean to quote me?

I was referring specifically to this sentence: "the decision allows for frame-by-frame analysis to pause or slow down the video".

It is false, as WR set by Drew Brad's (Pyra), Graham Siggins (MBLD), Nethanel Pour (CR, Pyraminx) and others - have already been either penalized using slow motion and/or frame by frame analysis.

I agree that the WCA board has selectively decided not to enforce this method on Yihengs solves/video, thus failing to follow many motions, and in specific the WCA Spirit for fairness = same treatment for all competitors.

 

[stoic]

I was referring specifically to this sentence: "the decision allows for frame-by-frame analysis to pause or slow down the video".

It is false, as WR set by Drew Brad's (Pyra), Graham Siggins (MBLD), Nethanel Pour (CR, Pyraminx) and others - have already been either penalized using slow motion and/or frame by frame analysis.

I agree that the WCA board has selectively decided not to enforce this method on Yihengs solves/video, thus failing to follow many motions, and in specific the WCA Spirit for fairness = same treatment for all competitors.

Whether or not the previous instances have been penalised as you describe, I don’t think I characterised the decision referred to in the OP incorrectly.

But hey ho, thanks for reminding me why I don’t post on the internet very often.

 

[Gil.zussman]

Whether or not the previous instances have been penalised as you describe, I don’t think I characterised the decision referred to in the OP incorrectly.

But hey ho, thanks for reminding me why I don’t post on the internet very often.

No need for cynicism.

 

[AhsanDaCuber125]

Guys, on the Explicitly Disallow Sliding Thread, someone made a poll if it should be allowed or not, and many people voted yes, one person voted “i don’t care”, and one person voted to allow sliding… And that was JDAW6

 

[THE_V01DL0RD]

 

[2x2MasterYT]

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[An Animating Cuber]

A member of the board has responded publicly to criticism of the board:

World Cube Association

The World Cube Association governs competitions for mechanical puzzles that are operated by twisting groups of pieces, commonly known as 'twisty puzzles'. The most famous of these puzzles is the Rubik's Cube, invented by professor Rubik from Hungary. A selection of these puzzles are chosen as...

forum.worldcubeassociation.org

It’s had mixed reception to say the least…

 

[AhsanDaCuber125]

A member of the board has responded publicly to criticism of the board:

World Cube Association

The World Cube Association governs competitions for mechanical puzzles that are operated by twisting groups of pieces, commonly known as 'twisty puzzles'. The most famous of these puzzles is the Rubik's Cube, invented by professor Rubik from Hungary. A selection of these puzzles are chosen as...

forum.worldcubeassociation.org

It’s had mixed reception to say the least…

His post wasn’t that convincing anyway.
He says “and treat all solves in an equal and fair way”, and this is the complete opposite of what they’re doing.