[WRC] How to Provide Feedback on the draft of the new Regulations

[Stefan]

Sometimes "solves" were replaced by "attempts", but not all. At least some more instances should be replaced as well. For example:

G1a) The competitor may do at most two practise solves on the competition timer. When the judge and competitor mutually agree, the official attempts will start. From then on, all attempts will be treated as official attempts.

This rule explicitly uses both "solves" and "attempts". If I practice with the magic rotated 180 degrees so that the end state is not the solved state, I could argue I'm not "solving". And only practice *solves* are limited. Practice attempts aren't limited, though I suspect that they were intended to be. G4/G4a should maybe also say "attempt", and maybe more places as well. It's a bit confusing, not clear why we say "solves" sometimes and "attempts" other times.

 

[ardi4nto]

For Competitors:

• No slice moves for Rubik's Cube: Fewest Moves.

TNoodle still lists M, S, and E in instruction part as valid moves in FMC sheet. It should be removed.

 

[Lucas Garron]

Can the reasons for this decision be made public at the very least? Considering the massive public discussion, towards which I contributed a significant amount of my time.

The reason *is* the massive public dicsussion. Some of the WRC members definitely want to have the discussion, but at the moment it would be counter-productive to discussing all the other changes.

Sometimes "solves" were replaced by "attempts", but not all. At least some more instances should be replaced as well. For example:

G1a) The competitor may do at most two practise solves on the competition timer. When the judge and competitor mutually agree, the official attempts will start. From then on, all attempts will be treated as official attempts.

I tried very hard to make this consistent, using these definitions. However, I had to make many kinds of find-and-replace-only-some operations, and I might have missed some in this case.

If you've just seen a few cases, would you mind pointing them out? Otherwise, I'll go through and check all mentions of "solve"/"attempt" again.

TNoodle still lists M, S, and E in instruction part as valid moves in FMC sheet. It should be removed.

TNoodle has a bunch of changes pending on the Regulations since last release, including this. They will be removed.

 

[ThomasJE]

Why are slice moves being removed in FMC?

 

[Stefan]

If you've just seen a few cases, would you mind pointing them out? Otherwise, I'll go through and check all mentions of "solve"/"attempt" again.

Only noticed those that I mentioned (in the magics article). And I understood those terms differently than your definitions, so I'm useless anyway

 

[Bob]

In contrast to every other pillowed puzzle, the pillowed 7x7x7 IS the puzzle which was added as event back in 2009.

We also used to allow unlimited time for MultiBLD in 2009, but that doesn't mean we should allow it now. It is the only cube puzzle inconsistent with our regulations. The reason for allowing pillowed 7x7 was because no cubic 7x7 was available. That's no longer the case. The reasoning behind the regulation is obsolete.

As long as they are official the regulations deal with them. We didn't put any effort in this and it is really completely useless to comment on this, seriously.

The only reason I mention Magic at all is because you guys decided to add a regulation that makes the event EVEN LONGER!

 

[Stefan]

The only reason I mention Magic at all is because you guys decided to add a regulation that makes the event EVEN LONGER!

I don't see it. Which regulation is that?

 

[shelley]

Wow I read the entire thing lol.
Whats this about the Logo? I didnt get it. What if i have a cube without a logo in the center?

This is not a new regulation. What part of "at most one" do you not understand?

Regarding accidental corner twists during scrambling, that would be a result of the competitor's failure to maintain his cube in proper working order and he should have to deal with the consequences. No extra solves should be awarded in that case.

 

[DrKorbin]

Regarding accidental corner twists during scrambling, that would be a result of the competitor's failure to maintain his cube in proper working order and he should have to deal with the consequences.

It is a duty of scrambler to check if he scrambled correctly. If the corner was twisted during scrambling and scrambler didn't noticed that then he failed to do his job. Why is it a competitor's failure?

 

[Stefan]

It is a duty of scrambler to check if he scrambled correctly.

Says who?

 

[DrKorbin]

Says who?

Yeah, I fail to provide a direct link for it. Next time an organizer asks me to scramble, I will just do random moves - I'm not responsible for anything anyway.

 

[Tim Reynolds]

Yeah, I fail to provide a direct link for it. Next time an organizer asks me to scramble, I will just do random moves - I'm not responsible for anything anyway.

I agree with your sentiment, but do you check all six sides after scrambling? I honestly don't. If there were a corner twist on DBL and I didn't feel it, I wouldn't notice by looking at the cube.

How about on Megaminx?

 

[DrKorbin]

I agree with your sentiment, but do you check all six sides after scrambling?

Only if I have time to do it, and at the beginning of a round I don't have time.

BTW, there was a paragraph in the regulations that said you don't have to rescramble 6x6 and 7x7 (with the permission of the delegate), and it is gone. Does it mean a scrambler must rescramble 7x7?

 

[Ranzha]

I read A2c1, and does this mean we'll no longer be able to use simple scorecards as cube covers?

 

[DrKorbin]

I read A2c1, and does this mean we'll no longer be able to use simple scorecards as cube covers?

Yes, it is explicitly written in guidelines:

A2c1) [CLARIFICATION] In the past, score cards have been used to cover puzzles while leaving somes sides exposed. This is no longer permitted.

 

[ThomasJE]

Yes, it is explicitly written in guidelines:

A2c1) [CLARIFICATION] In the past, score cards have been used to cover puzzles while leaving somes sides exposed. This is no longer permitted.

So we can't use paper for BLD?

 

[JasonK]

So we can't use paper for BLD?

Apparently not, has to be a proper cover.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I don't want to bring up the full debate here, but I'm annoyed at the change for stickerless cubes. Deciding to not allow them I can handle, even if I strongly disagree with it. Banning them completely when they were previously allowed for BLD (and have been used to set WRs iirc) is pretty irritating. After my last comp I bought a new stickerless cube to see what they were like, thinking that I could use it for BLD. I like the cube and prefer it for BLD, but now I can't use it if these rules become official. Any chance we could continue to allow them for BLD for the sake of consistency? I would hate to lose one of my good cubes for MBLD, which I only bought under the belief that it was legal (even knowing it might become illegal would have made me buy the black version).

 

[Stefan]

Yeah, I fail to provide a direct link for it. Next time an organizer asks me to scramble, I will just do random moves - I'm not responsible for anything anyway.

You'd violate

4a) A scrambler must apply the scramble sequences.

 

[Bob]

I don't see it. Which regulation is that?

The one that allows competitors to do 2 practice solves. I have not been allowing more than one since like 2009.

We don't allow it for any other puzzle. Why is that regulation even in there? If I go up for my 3x3 solve, can I tell the judge to wait so that I can do two practice solves first?

I don't want to bring up the full debate here, but I'm annoyed at the change for stickerless cubes. Deciding to not allow them I can handle, even if I strongly disagree with it. Banning them completely when they were previously allowed for BLD (and have been used to set WRs iirc) is pretty irritating. After my last comp I bought a new stickerless cube to see what they were like, thinking that I could use it for BLD. I like the cube and prefer it for BLD, but now I can't use it if these rules become official. Any chance we could continue to allow them for BLD for the sake of consistency? I would hate to lose one of my good cubes for MBLD, which I only bought under the belief that it was legal (even knowing it might become illegal would have made me buy the black version).

They should not have been allowed in the first place. They were accidentally allowed because somebody thought that they did not violate our regulations, but they do. The way the regs are written, those cubes have ALWAYS been a violation. This change is a long time coming.