[Help Thread] What should I learn next?

[33croc]

What algs should I learn next?

Hello
I have been cubing for 2 weeks and i avarge around a min. I know all of the 2 look algs and i was wondering if i should learn f2l algs or learn pll
what should i do

 

[2180161]

At your speed, I would work on turning speed and your recognition. If it takes you 5 seconds to recognize the case, and 5 to execute, try to make it so it is 3 and 3.

Also, if you haven't already, get a better cube.

 

[Phinagin]

I would recommended learning intuitive F2L instead of algorithmic, to begin with at least. Also learn 4LLL. After you have learned that, you can keep on solving until speed is faster.

 

[33croc]

I have a dyan zanchi

 

[StachuK1992]

Aim for these splits to get down to 45s.


Cross: 9s
Corner 1: 2s
Corner 2: 2s
Corner 3: 2s
Corner 4: 2s
Edge 1: 3s
Edge 2: 3s
Edge 3: 3s
Edge 4: 3s
LL step 1: 4s
LL step 2: 4s
LL step 3: 4s
LL step 4: 4s


These should all be possible within a few days practice.
Practice only cross until it's 9s.
Then practice until first layer corners until it's 17s
Then practice until middle edges until it's 29s
Then practice LL until the whole solve takes you 45s.


Ok. Done that? Want to get to Sub30? Learn F2L and do the same thing for this potential breakdown




Cross: 6s
F2L 1: 3s
F2L 2: 3s
F2L 3: 3s
F2L 4: 3s
LL step 1: 3s
LL step 2: 3s
LL step 3: 3s
LL step 4: 3s




Ok. Done that? Want to get sub25? Learn PLL and shoot for this:




Cross: 5s
F2L 1: 2.5s
F2L 2: 2.5s
F2L 3: 2.5s
F2L 4: 2.5s
OELL: 2.5s
OCLL: 2.5s
PLL: 5s


Ok. Done that? Want to get sub20? Practice some more and shoot for this:


Cross: 4s
F2L 1: 2.25s
F2L 2: 2.25s
F2L 3: 2.25s
F2L 4: 2.25s
OELL: 2s
OCLL: 2s
PLL: 3s


Ok. Done that? Wan to get sub15? Learn OLL and shoot for this:


Cross: 3s
F2L 1: 1.75s
F2L 2: 1.75s
F2L 3: 1.75s
F2L 4: 1.75s
OLL: 3s
PLL: 2s


Ok. Done that? Want to get sub12? Shoot for this:


Cross: 2.5s
F2L 1: 1.5s
F2L 2: 1.5s
F2L 3: 1.5s
F2L 4: 1.5s
OLL: 2s
PLL: 1.5s


Ok. Done that? Want to get sub10? Shoot for this:


Cross: 2s
F2L 1: 1.25s
F2L 2: 1.25s
F2L 3: 1.25s
F2L 4: 1.25s
OLL: 1.75s
PLL: 1.25s


Ok. Done that? Want to get sub9? Shoot for this:


Cross: 1.75s
F2L 1: 1s
F2L 2: 1.25s
F2L 3: 1.25s
F2L 4: 1.25s
OLL: 1.5s
PLL: 1s


Ok. Done that? Want to get sub8? Shoot for this:


Cross: 1.5s
F2L 1: 1s
F2L 2: 1s
F2L 3: 1s
F2L 4: 1.25s
OLL: 1.25s
PLL: 1s


etc

 

[33croc]

thank you so much

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

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btw you put F2L 1 for all of the F2Ls in the splits.

 

[StachuK1992]

btw you put F2L 1 for all of the F2Ls in the splits.

Good catch.

lesson learned: do the first pair enough times, the whole cube is solved.

 

[OLLiver]

to answer teh question of the title "whats algs to learn next'? teh answer is FULL ZBLLLLLLLLL

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

to answer teh question of the title "whats algs to learn next'? teh answer is FULL ZBLLLLLLLLL

Zborowski-Bruchem Last Layer Layer Layer Layer Layer Layer Layer Layer Layer?

 

[TheDerpyDino]

Should i use coll or cfop

I was going to start to get into speed cubing but I was wondering which was better between coll and cfop (fridrich) like which one is faster/better and which one is easier, or if I should just learn coll first then eventually learn cfop.

 

[Eduard Khil]

Lolwut
COLL is a subset of CFOP.
COLL is an acronym for "solving Corners while Orienting Last Layer", which is only an advanced OLL method
CFOP is a general method which the steps involve "Cross, F2L, OLL, PLL"

So you cannot solve the cube with COLL alone; COLL only solves more of the cube during the OLL step in CFOP which leaves the PLLs to be only EPLLs

Considering such a nub question i do not recommend learning COLL due to the high amount of algs (300+) plus difficult recognition. But you have to first learn CFOP before moving onto COLL

 

[natezach728]

Um, COLL is a subset to force an EPLL... COLL isn't a method to solve the cube.

@Eduard Wait what? I thought there was only ~40 COLL's... I thought it was the same number as CLLs on 2x2 minus J and Y perm.

 

[NeilH]

LAL read this: https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...ner-s-Guide-to-Choosing-a-Speedsolving-Method

 

[mark49152]

Considering such a nub question i do not recommend learning COLL due to the high amount of algs (300+)

Before you're rude about nub questions it's best to be sure you're not giving nub answers.

COLL has ~42 algs and solves corners while preserving edge orientation. I think you're mixing it up with OLLCP?

Your recommendation is sound though - learn a base method such as CFOP before advanced alg sets or variants.

 

[brian724080]

Also don't forget that there are methods other than CFOP that are also popular and (relatively) well developed such as ZZ, Roux, and Petrus.

 

[RhysC]

No definitely go with COLL.




















jk

 

[Berd]

I'm learning COLL at the moment; it's defiantly ~42.

 

[Oatch]

Most of the time it isn't even worth learning COLL for a CFOP context as the chance of getting an edges-oriented OLL case is fairly low, unless you've finished learning full OLL and PLL and want some advanced techniques to have in your bag of tricks. However, COLL is fairly useful for methods such as Petrus and ZZ, where you always have an edges-oriented last layer case. But for now, just start with learning the foundations of speedsolving - CFOP is a good place to start.

 

[Thecuberlife]

What should I learn now? Experts please tell.

Ok so i learned how to solve a 3x3 about 3-4 months ago. I have learned intuitive f2l, and 4lll currently i average about 48 secs. I know i need to practice but, like i said in the title what should i learn next. For those of you who respond thanks.