# [Help Thread]What should I learn next?

#### RedJack22

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VLS is its own subset and isn’t directly a part of CFOP
True, but it is still involved in CFOP, and that's why I would consider it still a part of CFOP, even though it isn't "pure" or "true" CFOP. That is my opinion, but I could be wrong

#### Piotr Grochowski

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What then do you want to call it? (Keep in mind that if you're being this much of a pedant about whether "CFOP" should still be applicable with 4LLL, for consistency's sake, you should also be enough of a pedant to be bothered by "4LLL" not implying anything about what the four looks actually are.)
Indeed 4LLL can mean any 4 looks to solve last layer to me, whether it's 2LOLL+2LPLL, 2LPLL+2LPOLL or anything with 4 looks. I don't think there is an official name for a method that goes "advanced cross, advanced F2L, 4LLL".

#### greentgoatgal

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Yes, there is. It's called CFOP

#### Piotr Grochowski

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Yes, there is. It's called CFOP
No! Solving the last layer in 4 looks has nothing to do with O (for OLL) and P (for PLL). Even 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL are not OLL and PLL. This is definitely still beginner's method. I don't know OLL so I still use beginner's method (beginner's cross, intuitive F2L, 2-look OLL, PLL)

#### JustAnotherGenericCuber

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Even 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL are not OLL and PLL.
2-look oll is still oll, it Orients the Last Layer. 2-look pll is still pll, it Permutes the Last Layer.

#### Piotr Grochowski

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2-look oll is still oll, it Orients the Last Layer. 2-look pll is still pll, it Permutes the Last Layer.
OLL (Orient Last Layer) is 1 step. PLL (Permute Last Layer) is 1 step. However 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL cannot be called OLL and PLL respectively, because they are done in 2 steps.

#### TipsterTrickster

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As long as you do it, it is oll/ppl no matter how many steps it is. Check my post in general speed cubing discussion!

#### Bailey Mitchell

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Hey Guys,

Ive been cubing roughly 4 months and am a mid 25 average, i am not entireyy sure what to learn after 4 look oll. Any advice will be considered.

Thanks guys

#### JustinTimeCuber

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Do you mean 2-look oll? If you're actually taking 4 steps to solve oll at your speed, that's super inefficient.

#### DGCubes

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4-look OLL or 4-look last layer? If you mean 4-look OLL, I'm really not sure what that is, but it's probably not that good.

The general order people go about learning CFOP is first by learning 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL, then working on full PLL, and finally full OLL. Also, you should always be working on F2L as you progress.

#### Bailey Mitchell

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hey guys,

im a mid 20 average and know 4 look ll what shall i learn next?

Ty Guys

#### Bailey Mitchell

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4-look OLL or 4-look last layer? If you mean 4-look OLL, I'm really not sure what that is, but it's probably not that good.

The general order people go about learning CFOP is first by learning 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL, then working on full PLL, and finally full OLL. Also, you should always be working on F2L as you progress.
My bad 4 look last layer

#### Bailey Mitchell

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Do you mean 2-look oll? If you're actually taking 4 steps to solve oll at your speed, that's super inefficient.
Nah 4 look last layer

Sorry
Do you mean 2-look oll? If you're actually taking 4 steps to solve oll at your speed, that's super inefficient.

#### Ryan1992006789

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I'm a sub-25 3x3 cuber. I have been cubing for about 11 months. I use a method called XG that uses beginners first and second layers, but CFOP for cross, OLL and PLL. I have browsed YouTube for many videos on how to improve and they all suggest learning full PLL before anything else. I currently know all PLL's except the Aa, Ab, E, F, Ja, Ra, Rb, V and the G Perms. I would like to know which one of these I should learn first, and what cases will be the most useful in competition. I would also like to know what OLL cases would come in handy. Also, if you could include easy to learn F2L cases, that would greatly benefit my skills. Thank you for taking the time to read my post, please comment what you think. Thank you!

#### DGCubes

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I'm a sub-25 3x3 cuber. I have been cubing for about 11 months. I use a method called XG that uses beginners first and second layers, but CFOP for cross, OLL and PLL. I have browsed YouTube for many videos on how to improve and they all suggest learning full PLL before anything else. I currently know all PLL's except the Aa, Ab, E, F, Ja, Ra, Rb, V and the G Perms. I would like to know which one of these I should learn first, and what cases will be the most useful in competition. I would also like to know what OLL cases would come in handy. Also, if you could include easy to learn F2L cases, that would greatly benefit my skills. Thank you for taking the time to read my post, please comment what you think. Thank you!
Learn F2L! The XG method was actually invented as a joke by Lucas Garron; it's not something anyone should use except as a transition to CFOP. I'd prioritize learning F2L over anything else, since F2L is something you should consistently be working on; it's not something you just learn and are done with. F2L really shouldn't be algorithmic. You should pretty much figure out each pair through intuition after learning the most basic F2L techniques.

As far as the PLLs, don't procrastinate G-perms! They're actually not hard and are pretty fast. I always recommend "weaving" them into the other PLLs you learn (so, learn one G-perm now and only learn another one after you've learned a couple other PLLs), because then you don't see them as "the G-perms;" you see them as "that one I know and the others I don't." Aside from this though, I'd prioritize learning A-perms, R-perms, and Ja. Those are all quite fast and come up a lot. E, F, and V are kinda bad cases no matter what, so I'd save those for last if I were you (although none of them are particularly difficult to learn).

For OLL, I'd just scroll through algdb and find some short, easy to recognize OLLs and learn those (assuming you already know 2-look OLL; if not, finish learning that first). OLL's definitely not as important as F2L and PLL though, so if I were you, I'd put most of my time into the other two.

#### Ryan1992006789

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Thanks so much DG! Sorry for not replying, I haven't been active for a while! I had no clue that the XG method was a joke. Also, I am using XG as a transition to CFOP. I have been thinking about F2L, I already knew intuitive but not algorithmic. Also, thanks for your advice on OLL and PLL, it will help me to get sub-20 and beyond! By the way, I love your YouTube channel! The content is great, and I especially enjoy your comedy skits and your Q and A videos. Keep up the great work!

#### onebeginning7

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I am currently learning full oll right now but after I want to know what to do next besides f2l so should I learn ZBLL or VLS because as far as I know if I do VLS than it will skip oll and I won't be able to do zbll and they both have around the same amount of algs to learn so I am just wondering which one I will chose.

#### Aerma

If you're still learning full OLL, you aren't at a level where you should be focusing on either. Instead, focus on your LL recognition and TPS, and even more heavily on F2L look-ahead and efficiency. If you really do want to learn a last layer subset right now though, go with COLL for now.

#### DGCubes

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I am currently learning full oll right now but after I want to know what to do next besides f2l so should I learn ZBLL or VLS because as far as I know if I do VLS than it will skip oll and I won't be able to do zbll and they both have around the same amount of algs to learn so I am just wondering which one I will chose.
I agree with what @Aerma said above, but as a general rule I think skipping PLL is much better than skipping OLL. I'd definitely prioritize things like COLL and eventually ZBLL, but it is still useful to know the easy VLS/Winter Variation cases.