What COLL Subsets are worth learning?

[Timona]

I wanna start learning full COLL, i've already learnt all the H cases, since there's just 4 and they're easily distinguishable; there's 2 particular Pi cases that keep showing up in my solves, and I know that if I learn those two cases, i'm probably going to be on track to learn the rest of Pi and then the rest of COLL, so I wanna know which of the subsets is worth learning?

 

[PiKeeper]

U and L are worth it, along with about half of T. Other COLL subsets won't make you any faster, but do whatever makes you happy. Also, you'll probably want to learn full U, T, L, H and Pi if you ever plan on learning ZBLL, since you'll practice the recognition.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I have always been told that you should learn all COLL except for sune and anti-sune because it's faster to solve ocll then pll with said sets

 

[Timona]

I have always been told that you should learn all COLL except for sune and anti-sune because it's faster to solve ocll then pll with said sets

Thanks
ngl, i was waiting for you to answer cus i know ur learning everything

 

[OreKehStrah]

I wouldn’t really bother with COLL. I learned and used including sunes and it’s just not worth it. OCLL and PLL is just so fast that you don’t really get a time savings. Especially when you consider most people are worse at Z perm than adj PLLs but you get more Z perms with COLL. Plus you get in the habit of checking CP without using a 1LLL.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Thanks
ngl, i was waiting for you to answer cus i know ur learning everything

nah I'm letting sune and anti sune out though
I started with Pi and H that have easy U-stickers recognition

I have to revise the algs I already learned and finish learning L

also some top cubers said that coll is useful for 4x4. source: voices on my head
maybe some other person can elaborate on that

 

[Timona]

Doesnt Sune have easy U face recognition? I mean, there's three top non-yellow stickers

 

[Eli Apperson]

Doesnt Sune have easy U face recognition? I mean, there's three top non-yellow stickers

The reason it is looked at as bad is because sune+any PLL is generally just as fast if not faster then COLL+EPLL

 

[NigelTheCuber]

The reason it is looked at as bad is because sune+any PLL is generally just as fast if not faster then COLL+EPLL

Yeah sunes are so fast

 

[Thom S.]

If you like COLL, learn all of it. Making S and AS fast is a challenge but can be done. I knew all of COLL and didn't regret it because even my Sune Cases were faster than with PLL.
COLL+EPLL is from a Post I saw less efficient than OLL+PLL so it's not a question about pure speed, it's a question about personal preference.

 

[IsThatA4x4]

I would say (although I haven't learnt much) learn:
TUL
Some H, some Pi
Ignore S/AS

 

[ruffleduck]

Similar to OreKehStrah, I'd suggest you avoid COLL altogether.

 

[NigelTheCuber]

Similar to OreKehStrah, I'd suggest you avoid COLL altogether.

I wouldn't

 

[Eli Apperson]

There are pros and cons to both. My take is that if you want to learn it, learn all of it. It's not going to hurt anything, and as you get faster if you don't like using them you don't have to. But, if it makes it more fun for you, go for it!

 

[Marco Rouxbio]

There are pros and cons to both. My take is that if you want to learn it, learn all of it. It's not going to hurt anything, and as you get faster if you don't like using them you don't have to. But, if it makes it more fun for you, go for it!

J perm said that most of COLL is not worth it if you use CFOP and you shouldn't even consider learning Sune and Anti-Sune because they are so fast and other cases, like half of Pi have easy enough recognition but the algs are slow and you can just predict the ROLL instead.

But if you use Roux then you can learn CMLL because the algs are a lot better and you only need to solve the corners instead of corners and then still being left with edges.

thx for attending my TED talk.

 

[OreKehStrah]

Just want to toss this out as well:

Learn CLL and ELL instead and then you can use CLL for OLL cases you don't like

 

[Deleted member 36445]

J perm said that most of COLL is not worth it if you use CFOP and you shouldn't even consider learning Sune and Anti-Sune because they are so fast and other cases, like half of Pi have easy enough recognition but the algs are slow and you can just predict the ROLL instead.

But if you use Roux then you can learn CMLL because the algs are a lot better and you only need to solve the corners instead of corners and then still being left with edges.

thx for attending my TED talk.

nice podcast

make more episodes and call it the POGcast

 

[Cuber2s]

If I'm going to be honest, instead of coll learn some more F2L cases. I've noticed some people at comps who know quite a few algs but have a bad F2L efficiency and that makes them slower than they should be

 

[Timona]

If I'm going to be honest, instead of coll learn some more F2L cases. I've noticed some people at comps who know quite a few algs but have a bad F2L efficiency and that makes them slower than they should be

yeah, i was planning on learning more f2l tricks

 

[Deleted member 72142]

If you like COLL, learn all of it. Making S and AS fast is a challenge but can be done. I knew all of COLL and didn't regret it because even my Sune Cases were faster than with PLL.
COLL+EPLL is from a Post I saw less efficient than OLL+PLL so it's not a question about pure speed, it's a question about personal preference.

How do you recog them? I think I might actually learn them.