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Uncommon Method Competition | Payout and an Apology

Do you want to compete in the competition

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Scollier said:
I have a few questions: What if I create my own method? Is that accepted? And to win the prizes, does the method have to be the fastest or the most creative, or what? Thanks.
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I encourage you to make your own method and post it to this thread. You'd have to explain what the method actually is..after that I'd tale it into consideration ( would most likely be a yes ). We still need to work out how the money will be distributed relative to categories. For now, no, we will not be awarding prizes for most creative method. We may, however, do some random drawings or something like that. Will keep the thread updated as I have more information.
 
I suppose the generally accepted outcome is the same person will yield the fastest Ao5, and fastest Ao12. In the unusual circumstance that different people have the fastest Ao5 and Ao12, I suppose prize money is split between them?
And for those on the fence, Silky and I are already planning a 2nd competition with *way* bigger prize money, so if you are uncertain whether it is worth the time to try something new, the 2nd competition will be even more worth your time.
 
efattah said:
I suppose the generally accepted outcome is the same person will yield the fastest Ao5, and fastest Ao12. In the unusual circumstance that different people have the fastest Ao5 and Ao12, I suppose prize money is split between them?
And for those on the fence, Silky and I are already planning a 2nd competition with *way* bigger prize money, so if you are uncertain whether it is worth the time to try something new, the 2nd competition will be even more worth your time.
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I figured that we'd limit 1 prize per competitor ? The original idea was that you'd have 1st, 2nd, 3rd prizes for av5 and for av12, 6 prizes total. I'm also going to go back and tally up who is doing what to see if Deviago's category idea would work ( onecat for variants/hybrids and one cat for novel/experimental, making 12 prizes total ).
 
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Filipe Teixeira said:
I'm betting all my money on Tao Yu
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A bold move, considering I haven't confirmed I am competing yet (I changed my vote to reflect what I said in previous pages).

I think @shadowslice e has a very decent chance of winning if he uses beginner's 42 (assuming that's an allowed method). I'm not sure I can beat his times on that using a method other than ZBroux.

@Silky I wonder if you can clarify if you need to know all the algs of a method in order to use it? Like for example, you said HK, is allowed, but would one have to know all 263 algs?
 
Tao Yu said:
A bold move, considering I haven't confirmed I am competing yet (I changed my vote to reflect what I said in previous pages).

I think @shadowslice e has a very decent chance of winning if he uses beginner's 42 (assuming that's an allowed method). I'm not sure I can beat his times on that using a method other than ZBroux.

@Silky I wonder if you can clarify if you need to know all the algs of a method in order to use it? Like for example, you said HK, is allowed, but would one have to know all 263 algs?
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So no, not exactly. It is a case by case basis. So for example when Lukas Cubes brough up ZB it wouldn't you'd have to learn all of ZBLL since otherwise you basically using CFOP. Something like HK is already novel enough that you wouldn't have to use a fu;; alg set. 42 should be fine imo. Enforcing this rule would be counter to the goals of this comp since it would be pretty gatekeeper-y. LEOR is kinda another example but again I think it's novel enough to use 2LLL. We're thinking of splitting it into 2 categories (1) variant/hybrid and (2) novel/experimental. This would mean that you could use ZBRoux but we would need enough people competing in each of the two categories.

Right now it be eight competitors for each category if you and shadowslice e participate.

variant/hybrid => Russo, ZBRoux, PCMS/Waterman, LEOR, and 42
novel/experimental => Mehta, SSC, LMCF, HK, Tripod
 
Silky said:
So no, not exactly. It is a case by case basis. So for example when Lukas Cubes brough up ZB it wouldn't you'd have to learn all of ZBLL since otherwise you basically using CFOP. Something like HK is already novel enough that you wouldn't have to use a fu;; alg set. 42 should be fine imo. Enforcing this rule would be counter to the goals of this comp since it would be pretty gatekeeper-y. LEOR is kinda another example but again I think it's novel enough to use 2LLL. We're thinking of splitting it into 2 categories (1) variant/hybrid and (2) novel/experimental. This would mean that you could use ZBRoux but we would need enough people competing in each of the two categories.

Right now it be eight competitors for each category if you and shadowslice e participate.

variant/hybrid => Russo, ZBRoux, PCMS/Waterman, LEOR, and 42
novel/experimental => Mehta, SSC, LMCF, HK, Tripod
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Is that for this competition or the next one? Has the rule on having to use a method that isn't your main or haven't practiced before still in effect?

You have me somewhat intrigued again. From what I can tell, ZBroux would be pretty competitive in variant/hybrid at very least, and maybe I could do tripod since the start is pretty much Petrus/Freefop, and I know at least half of the LL algs.

I feel like you guys should write up all the rules somewhere, along with all the amendments, because I'm really getting confused about what methods are allowed. Like for tripod I get a weird feeling that it shouldn't be allowed for me since me getting fast times with it probably proves nothing more than me having more experience with the type of method. As well, I wonder if it's closer to a variant of Petrus/Freefop than a totally novel/experimental method.

Edit: Does Freefop count as a variant?
 
Tao Yu said:
Is that for this competition or the next one? Has the rule on having to use a method that isn't your main or haven't practiced before still in effect?

You have me somewhat intrigued again. From what I can tell, ZBroux would be pretty competitive in variant/hybrid at very least, and maybe I could do tripod since the start is pretty much Petrus/Freefop, and I know at least half of the LL algs.

I feel like you guys should write up all the rules somewhere, along with all the amendments, because I'm really getting confused about what methods are allowed. Like for tripod I get a weird feeling that it shouldn't be allowed for me since me getting fast times with it probably proves nothing more than me having more experience with the type of method. As well, I wonder if it's closer to a variant of Petrus/Freefop than a totally novel/experimental method.

Edit: Does Freefop count as a variant?
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Okay so.. here we go..
Tao Yu said:
Is that for this competition or the next one? Has the rule on having to use a method that isn't your main or haven't practiced before still in effect?
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This would be for this one. Deviago pointed out that under the original rule that it would be biased towards people that are using more variant like methods e.g. Roux => 42. By making 2 categories this would kinda fix that problem. Not using your main was never a rule, you were just being cocky about it so I had to clap you and obviously the category helps to fix that problem anyway.

Tao Yu said:
I feel like you guys should write up all the rules somewhere, along with all the amendments, because I'm really getting confused about what methods are allowed. Like for tripod I get a weird feeling that it shouldn't be allowed for me since me getting fast times with it probably proves nothing more than me having more experience with the type of method. As well, I wonder if it's closer to a variant of Petrus/Freefop than a totally novel/experimental method.
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(1) I'll work up a write up once things are finalized. It's a big hectic since we need to take into consideration what is going to be the most fair competition wise and whether or not it 'fits' the objectives of the competition ( this is a lesser point and may be besides the point ).

As far as categorization of something like Tripod it's going to be pretty arbitrary so that we can balance out the two categories. There are a few methods that don't quite fit like Waterman/PCMS but we'd have to just make a decision.

Things get a bit complicated with things like FreeFOP since its really just a clone of CFOP but with DoubleX-Cross or something like CFCE which is CFOP with a different LL and ZZ with WV which is technically a variant but really wouldn't make sense. Again this will have to be a pretty arbitrary ruling that would come up on a case by case basis. We could come to consensus by voting ? Don't really know what to say on this matter.

edit: on the flip side something like salvia would be different enough to be included. Don't worry I have full plans to reel you in !
 
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