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Top 10 Fastest Speedcubers

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Do podiums contribute to the "speed" of a competitor? I.e. does the number of wins at Worlds, Nationals, Asian or European champs matter in your definition of fast?

Do previous records matter? I.e. Max Park is a former 3x3x3 average world record holder, Bill Wang is not.

Another clickbaity discussion topic with no analysis done on the OP's part.
I'm judging based on unofficial times, and global averages. So none of that I'm taking into account. Also, I have done analysis. But that's not the point. I made this post because I wanted to have a fun discussion about the top speed cubers.
 
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We know who the fast speedcubers are. And there are more than 10. Official results are the standard metric for most people to determine who is fast, and this is why competitions exist. You can choose to factor in unofficial times, but not everyone is going to agree with you, and this will just result in more endless, meaningless discussion that serves absolutely no purpose. Speedcubing is measured qualitatively, so I think it's pretty obvious who is faster and who is not.
 
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We know who the fast speedcubers are. And there are more than 10. Official results are the standard metric for most people to determine who is fast, and this is why competitions exist. You can choose to factor in unofficial times, but not everyone is going to agree with you, and this will just result in more endless, meaningless discussion that serves absolutely no purpose. Speedcubing is measured qualitatively, so I think it's pretty obvious who is faster and who is not.
Apparently not to some people. Like the people that think Max is definitely faster than Bill (6.59 avg 1000-6.52 avg 1000).
 
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Are you honestly saying it's fair when for some really fast cubers, people just turn their heads another way when they see them, and for others, there are hundreds of glares upon them, saying 'Get the World Record.' That would slow down anybody.
I guess you could say it's not fair, but it's what they have to deal with. It would also make sense that cubers of the same skill get a similar amount of attention, so it's not like some of them just get a 'pass'. It's unfortunate that some people can't perform very well in competitions, but speedcubing is a competitive activity, so I think the ability to show your skills at competitions is very important and not something that should just be treated as an excuse for having bad competition times

And like I said before, what if you've never been to a competition? Are you saying CriticalCubing is slow?
Of course if you don't go to many competitions, that's a valid reason for having worse competition results. I would say that it's the biggest if not only reason that we should take unofficial results into account.

Apparently not to some people. Like the people that think Max is definitely faster than Bill (6.59 avg 1000-6.52 avg 1000).
It sounds like you're being pretty condescending to the people who disagree with you. There's a great case to be made the Max is a lot faster than Bill, for example, Bill's competition PB is 7.01 while Max gets sub-7 averages on a regular basis. Their average of 1000's only differ by 0.07, and according to his profile page, Bill's PB ao100 is 6.43 while Max recently uploaded a 6.30 ao100 (which is probably not even his PB).
 
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I guess you could say it's not fair, but it's what they have to deal with. It would also make sense that cubers of the same skill get a similar amount of attention, so it's not like some of them just get a 'pass'. It's unfortunate that some people can't perform very well in competitions, but speedcubing is a competitive activity, so I think the ability to show your skills at competitions is very important and not something that should just be treated as an excuse for having bad competition times



Of course if you don't go to many competitions, that's a valid reason for having worse competition results. I would say that it's the biggest if not only reason that we should take unofficial results into account.



It sounds like you're being pretty condescending to the people who disagree with you. There's a great case to be made the Max is a lot faster than Bill, for example, Bill's competition PB is 7.01 while Max gets sub-7 averages on a regular basis. Their average of 1000's only differ by 0.07, and according to his profile page, Bill's PB ao100 is 6.43 while Max recently uploaded a 6.30 ao100 (which is probably not even his PB).
1. I guess.
2. And Kian only goes to them like once or twice a year.
3. Actually, if you see his facebook page, it's actually at worst 6.36, but he didn't confirm that being his pb, so it could be even better.
 
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1. I guess.
2. And Kian only goes to them like once or twice a year.
3. Actually, if you see his facebook page, it's actually at worst 6.36, but he didn't confirm that being his pb, so it could be even better.
They're both great cubers. They have extremely close times at home, but Max does notably better in competition than Bill. Personally, I think in this case Max's exceptional competition results are enough to call him the better cuber. He's able to handle the competition pressure much better than Bill, and, as a result, gets better official times.

Sure, global averages are important, but handling nerves in high-pressure situations is a huge part of cubing that should not be overlooked.
 
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I'm judging based on unofficial times, and global averages. So none of that I'm taking into account. Also, I have done analysis. But that's not the point. I made this post because I wanted to have a fun discussion about the top speed cubers.
Define what you mean by fast. Do you mean the best speedcubers? If "fastest" to you means their ranking based on their best times at home, then not many people will agree with you.

The reason I said you didn't do any analysis is because you didn't provide any reasoning behind your top-10. We want to know why you put Kian in 3rd and Max Park in 5th, and why you aren't considering competition performance or previous records or podiums at major comps. Why aren't you taking those factors into account?

It sounds a bit like you're cherry-picking evidence to support Kian being faster than others.
 
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This is who I believe are the 10 fastest cubers in the world.
10. Patrick Ponce
9. Phillip Weyer
8. Sebastian Weyer
7. Lucas Etter
6. Mats Valk
5. Max Park
4. Seung Hyuk Nahm
3. Kian Mansour
2. Bill Wang
1. Feliks Zemdegs
If you disagree, tell me why. I'll try to convince you otherwise, though I'm not 100% sure about some of the placements, so then I'll be able to correct my list.
What is this based off of? Sum of ranks? Ranking in certain events?
 
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What is this based off of? Sum of ranks? Ranking in certain events?
Personal opinion of 3x3.

They're both great cubers. They have extremely close times at home, but Max does notably better in competition than Bill. Personally, I think in this case Max's exceptional competition results are enough to call him the better cuber. He's able to handle the competition pressure much better than Bill, and, as a result, gets better official times.

Sure, global averages are important, but handling nerves in high-pressure situations is a huge part of cubing that should not be overlooked.
Well, I'll admit Max definitely does better at competition.
 
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Define what you mean by fast. Do you mean the best speedcubers? If "fastest" to you means their ranking based on their best times at home, then not many people will agree with you.

The reason I said you didn't do any analysis is because you didn't provide any reasoning behind your top-10. We want to know why you put Kian in 3rd and Max Park in 5th, and why you aren't considering competition performance or previous records or podiums at major comps. Why aren't you taking those factors into account?

It sounds a bit like you're cherry-picking evidence to support Kian being faster than others.
Well, first of all, I'm not cherry picking evidence. Kian is that fast. Secondly, I have a big writing project due tomorrow, so I can't spend all that time talking about the cubers. I'll do it later.

Actually global averages doesn't mean anything. I can claim that I have UWR ao1000 and you couldn't prove me wrong. We only look at official times. Maybe you will understand if you compete more
We as in who? No offense to anyone, but are you seriously saying that Lucas is a lot faster than Bill?

aka the worst metric known to man
Maybe.
 
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...I'd believe it if one of the Top 5 Cubers did it.
Shouldn't you also be doing your big writing project? It's due tomorrow.

And that's rude. Innocent until proven guilty. I'm uploading the whole video, it's really big, but until then I'm the fastest.

EDIT: one of the official fastest 5 cubers, or fastest 5 cubers on global averages?
EDIT2: 1% loaded guys.
 
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Shouldn't you also be doing your big writing project? It's due tomorrow.

And that's rude. Innocent until proven guilty. I'm uploading the whole video, it's really big, but until then I'm the fastest.

EDIT: one of the official fastest 5 cubers, or fastest 5 cubers on global averages?
Either.
 
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