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Top 10 Fastest Speedcubers

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A much more interesting list, I think, is to ask who the top 10 GOAT speedcubers are. Since '10 fastest right now' will depend on comp times + records of home times + 'consistency' or 'highest peaks' + some other metric like KinchRank. 10 GOAT requires historical context and argumentation; breaking of barriers, contribution to community (+gen/dev of methods), dominance of records over a period of time, distance between them at their prime and others, and doesn't depend on 333 only.

Candidates can then be people like Rob Yau, Erik Akkersdijk, Dan Cohen, Ville Seppänen, Maskow, Alex Lau, Yu Nakajima, Milan Baticz -- and people who contributed huge amounts to the community over turning fast on crap hardware, such as Ron (and others in WCA), or Brest, or broke barriers in FMC, like Tomoaki.

Basically just people from a time when I really liked cubing, okay?
 
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A much more interesting list, I think, is to ask who the top 10 GOAT speedcubers are. Since '10 fastest right now' will depend on comp times + records of home times + 'consistency' or 'highest peaks' + some other metric like KinchRank. 10 GOAT requires historical context and argumentation; breaking of barriers, contribution to community (+gen/dev of methods), dominance of records over a period of time, distance between them at their prime and others, and doesn't depend on 333 only.

Candidates can then be people like Rob Yau, Erik Akkersdijk, Dan Cohen, Ville Seppänen, Maskow, Alex Lau, Yu Nakajima, Milan Baticz -- and people who contributed huge amounts to the community over turning fast on crap hardware, such as Ron (and others in WCA), or Brest, or broke barriers in FMC, like Tomoaki.

Basically just people from a time when I really liked cubing, okay?
No Feliks?
 
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In case anyone still cares, my opinion on the 10 fastest 3x3 cubers has changed a little. This is my new Top 10 for ONLY 3x3.
10. Phillip Lewecki
9. Sebastian Weyer
8. Phillip Weyer
7. Patrick Ponce
6. Lucas Etter
5. Mats Valk
4. Bill Wang/Kian Mansour (for now...)
3. Max Park
2. Seung Hyuk Nahm
1. Feliks Zemdegs
I'm not quite certain about the rankings past the Top 6.
 
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Obviously there are more reasons on top of the ones that I stated. I pointed out Drew and Philipp because they were also on the list even though they both have several averages faster than Carlier's best average, but Carlier's placement on the list is more surprising as he's only ranked 19th in average. The only reasons I can think of for his placement is that he got a good single that used to be top 10 and that he did well in world finals. While he's definitely world class, he doesn't stand out in a way that would merit being in the top 10.

About Max and Feliks, I would say that after Max got the WR average, there was good reason to believe that he was or had already surpassed Feliks in speed, but after a few months, Feliks has gotten the record back and several other sub-Max averages while Max has yet to get another sub-6.45 average, so it's safe to assume that Feliks is still faster than Max.

Of course solely looking at official ranking has its flaws, and there might be some better method out there that sorts cubers, but so far I've yet to see one. Using personal judgement is definitely not going to be satisfactory.

I would say that predicting future results is a good sign of a good ranking system, so if someone makes a ranking system that can consistently predict future rankings and competition podiums better than just guessing according to competition PBs, I would consider saying that the system is better or makes more sense.



Why is Mats 'definitely' sub-7 but Lucas 'barely' sub-7? Lucas has the better competition average, and while Mats has 4 sub-7 averages and Lucas has only 2, this is probably because Mats attends way more competitions. (based on their competition performance I wouldn't say that either is 'definitely' sub-7).
I think Mats is sub-7 while Lucas is not/barely is, because a little while ago, Lucas posted a 7.0x mean of 200 on his facebook, and said it was pretty representative of his times, and I doubt he's improved a huge amount in a couple months. As for Mats, it's a little more subjective, but I think it's just because people compare him to the Legendary Feliks Zemdegs, who is definitely sub-6.4/6.3, so he should be within half a second at least.
 
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I think Mats is sub-7 while Lucas is not/barely is, because a little while ago, Lucas posted a 7.0x mean of 200 on his facebook, and said it was pretty representative of his times, and I doubt he's improved a huge amount in a couple months. As for Mats, it's a little more subjective, but I think it's just because people compare him to the Legendary Feliks Zemdegs, who is definitely sub-6.4/6.3, so he should be within half a second at least.
lol definitely not Phillip Lewicki. For example Kevin Gerhardt has a 6.7 avg100 and 6.5 avg50 iirc, and is sub7 official, ist constantly sub8 seconds, even under pressure and major comps
 
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lol definitely not Phillip Lewicki. For example Kevin Gerhardt has a 6.7 avg100 and 6.5 avg50 iirc, and is sub7 official, ist constantly sub8 seconds, even under pressure and major comps
I think you replied to the wrong comment, but anyway, good point. I didn't know that about him. Where did you find out?
 
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THIS IS BIAS!! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
So?

Why is there discussion and opinions on who is the fastest/best 3x3x3 solver?

Look at worldcubeassociation. The rankings are right there.

You can't argue with facts. :)
If we just looked at official rankings, then we would't have a discussion, and it wouldn't be fun.
 
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