Top 10 Fastest Speedcubers

[MoyuDayanLover3]

This is who I believe are the 10 fastest cubers in the world.
10. Patrick Ponce
9. Phillip Weyer
8. Sebastian Weyer
7. Lucas Etter
6. Mats Valk
5. Max Park
4. Seung Hyuk Nahm
3. Kian Mansour
2. Bill Wang
1. Feliks Zemdegs
If you disagree, tell me why. I'll try to convince you otherwise, though I'm not 100% sure about some of the placements, so then I'll be able to correct my list.

 

[FastCubeMaster]

Jayden McNeil?!

 

[shadowslice e]

At just 3x3? Seems kinda disingenuous to say fastest speedcubers when it only takes into account one event.

Also, is the list supposed to be in order? Because then I'm pretty sure that there are a few in the wrong positions as well.

It would also help if you explained what this list is for.

 

[Malkom]

At just 3x3? Seems kinda disingenuous to say fastest speedcubers when it only takes into account one event.

Also, is the list supposed to be in order? Because then I'm pretty sure that there are a few in the wrong positions as well.

It would also help if you explained what this list is for.

There's no decent metric to see who's "objectively" fastest, for example who is fastest, Juan Pablo or Jayden Mcneil? Jaydens sum of ranks is way lower than Juan Pablos, but Juan Pablo is extremely dominant and by far the fastest at megaminx whereas Jayden is "just" fast at every event.

 

[Gomorrite]

Assuming this is about 3x3 and about home times (otherwise Kian Mansour makes no sense), I don't understand how is this a matter of "belief". The fastest will be whoever has faster times, not whoever we believe is the fastest, and since many cubers share their personal bests, we can easily know who are the fastest.

I know for a fact that Kian's PBs are worse than Seung's and Max's, so it doesn't make sense to put him third. About Bill, I have no clue what are his home PBs.

And very like Sebastian is not top 10 (he has a very good official avg5, but he is usually not that fast).

 

[MoyuDayanLover3]

At just 3x3? Seems kinda disingenuous to say fastest speedcubers when it only takes into account one event.

Also, is the list supposed to be in order? Because then I'm pretty sure that there are a few in the wrong positions as well.

It would also help if you explained what this list is for.

I meant fastest 3x3 speedcubers. What is wrong? I just wanted to have a discussion about who is the fastest and whatnot, it seems like a fun topic to talk about.

Jayden McNeil?!

What's his average?

There's no decent metric to see who's "objectively" fastest, for example who is fastest, Juan Pablo or Jayden Mcneil? Jaydens sum of ranks is way lower than Juan Pablos, but Juan Pablo is extremely dominant and by far the fastest at megaminx whereas Jayden is "just" fast at every event.

I meant at 3x3.

Assuming this is about 3x3 and about home times (otherwise Kian Mansour makes no sense), I don't understand how is this a matter of "belief". The fastest will be whoever has faster times, not whoever we believe is the fastest, and since many cubers share their personal bests, we can easily know who are the fastest.

I know for a fact that Kian's PBs are worse than Seung's and Max's, so it doesn't make sense to put him third. About Bill, I have no clue what are his home PBs.

And very like Sebastian is not top 10 (he has a very good official avg5, but he is usually not that fast).

Global average is more important than avg 5/12/50. Kian's pb average of 1000 is 6.55, I believe, and Max's is 6.59. Also, Bill Wang's pb's are on the info section of his page (cuboy63). As for Sebastian, I don't know much about him, so you might be right.

 

[Gomorrite]

Global average is more important than avg 5/12/50. Kian's pb average of 1000 is 6.55, I believe, and Max's is 6.59. Also, Bill Wang's pb's are on the info section of his page (cuboy63). As for Sebastian, I don't know much about him, so you might be right.

I disagree, I think "global average" is a way too fuzzy concept. What matters is what you can do at your best moment, and while avg5 or avg12 are too luck-dependent, avg1000 is too dependent on timing yourself while being tired (or refusing to because you are) or just not in your best day. I think avg50 and avg100, which is what can be done in a sigle short session, are the best metric.

So about Bill Wang, I just stalked his FB page and you seem to be right. I didn't know he was that fast at home.

So pushing back Kian to 5th place, I think it could be like this:

1. Feliks
2. Seung
3. Bill
4. Max
5. Kian

 

[DGCubes]

There are a lot of problems with trying to decide the objectively best speedcubers, even if it is just in 3x3.

Here's an example: say someone averages 10 seconds at home but gets nervous every competition and gets 15 second averages. Someone else averages 12 seconds at home and is able to control their nerves very well in competition, and therefore averages 12 seconds officially as well. Who is the better cuber? Some people would think it's obviously the 10-second solver because he/she is objectively faster than the other. People with this opinion don't place too much importance on actual competition performance. Others would say it's the 12-second solver, because, when it all comes down to it, he/she is able to beat the other in a competitive setting, which is a crucial aspect of speedcubing. These people place more importance on official results.

You may strongly believe one side or the other, which is perfectly fine, but it's important to realize that not everyone feels the same. I'm pretty split, personally. Interesting discussion, nonetheless.

 

[MoyuDayanLover3]

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lobal average is more important than avg 5/12/50. Kian's pb average of 1000 is 6.55, I believe, and Max's is 6.59. Also, Bill Wang's pb's are on the info section of his page (cuboy69).

I disagree, I think "global average" is a way too fuzzy concept. What matters is what you can do at your best moment, and while avg5 or avg12 are too luck-dependent, avg1000 is too dependent on timing yourself while being tired (or refusing to because you are) or just not in your best day. I think avg50 and avg100, which is what can be done in a sigle short session, are the best metric.

So about Bill Wang, I just stalked his FB page and you seem to be right. I didn't know he was that fast at home.

So pushing back Kian to 5th place, I think it could be like this:

1. Feliks
2. Bill
3. Seung
4. Max
5. Kian

Well, I think 6.34 average of 50 and 6.41 average of 100 is pretty good. And Kian has a sub-4, 5.48 average, and 6.04 average of 12 as well.

There are a lot of problems with trying to decide the objectively best speedcubers, even if it is just in 3x3.

Here's an example: say someone averages 10 seconds at home but gets nervous every competition and gets 15 second averages. Someone else averages 12 seconds at home and is able to control their nerves very well in competition, and therefore averages 12 seconds officially as well. Who is the better cuber? Some people would think it's obviously the 10-second solver because he/she is objectively faster than the other. People with this opinion don't place too much importance on actual competition performance. Others would say it's the 12-second solver, because, when it all comes down to it, he/she is able to beat the other in a competitive setting, which is a crucial aspect of speedcubing. These people place more importance on official results.

You may strongly believe one side or the other, which is perfectly fine, but it's important to realize that not everyone feels the same. I'm pretty split, personally. Interesting discussion, nonetheless.

Well, there are many reasons you can't use comp results as a support for your times, one because some people don't even go to competitions, some cubers are pressurized more than others, you do a lot more solves at home, etc.. Though I do get your point.

 

[Gomorrite]

Well, I think 6.34 average of 50 and 6.41 average of 100 is pretty good.

Obviously it is pretty good. But Seung has 6.09 Ao50 and Max a 6.16 Ao50 and 6.29 Ao100. So both are faster than him.

 

[Sajwo]

Hi

This is the list of top10 fastest speedcubers.

 

[shadowslice e]

Hi

This is the list of top10 fastest 3x3 solvers.

ftfy

 

[turtwig]

some cubers are pressurized more than others

It might sound harsh, but that's really their problem. Ultimately, what difference does it make how fast you are at home if you can't ever prove it at a competition?

 

[MoyuDayanLover3]

Obviously it is pretty good. But Seung has 6.09 Ao50 and Max a 6.16 Ao50 and 6.29 Ao100. So both are faster than him.

But still, it's really not that Kian is slower, it's just that Roux is a more consistent method rather than a method to be used for short bursts of speed like CFOP.

Hi

This is the list of top10 fastest speedcubers.

Officially.

 

[JustAnotherGenericCuber]

But still, it's really not that Kian is slower, it's just that Roux is a more consistent method rather than a method to be used for short bursts of speed like CFOP.

Well, it is that kian is slower as proven earlier, and would you say that the top cfop solvers are inconsistent?

 

[MoyuDayanLover3]

It might sound harsh, but that's really their problem. Ultimately, what difference does it make how fast you are at home if you can't ever prove it at a competition?

Are you honestly saying it's fair when for some really fast cubers, people just turn their heads another way when they see them, and for others, there are hundreds of glares upon them, saying 'Get the World Record.' That would slow down anybody.

It might sound harsh, but that's really their problem. Ultimately, what difference does it make how fast you are at home if you can't ever prove it at a competition?

And like I said before, what if you've never been to a competition? Are you saying CriticalCubing is slow?

Well, it is that kian is slower as proven earlier, and would you say that the top cfop solvers are inconsistent?

No, since his average of 1000 is faster than Max Park's, and yes, CFOP solvers are less consistent. This is because it's easier to stay fast with Roux because of the low move count.

 

[Sajwo]

No, since his average of 1000 is faster than Max Park's, and yes, CFOP solvers are less consistent. This is because it's easier to stay fast with Roux because of the low move count.

Cubing is not all about speed, but also about handling the pressure on competitions. That's why Max Park is World Champion and Kian is only Canadian NR holder. People at home also tend to use keyboard, delete DNFs, not count +2s etc

 

[GuRoux]

Kian has been to 5 competitions and Feliks has been to 66 competitions. official results are greatly skewed by how often the competitors compete. so that's something to think about if you rank the "best" cubers solely on official rankings. best official averages don't really show who are doing the best in competition.

 

[MoyuDayanLover3]

Cubing is not all about speed, but also about handling the pressure on competitions. That's why Max Park is World Champion and Kian is only Canadian NR holder. People at home also tend to use keyboard, delete DNFs, not count +2s etc

Well, however you think about it, Kian is really fast.

Kian has been to 5 competitions and Feliks has been to 66 competitions. official results are greatly skewed by how often the competitors compete. so that's something to think about if you rank the "best" cubers solely on official rankings. best official averages don't really show who are doing the best in competition.

Exactly, which is why global averages are more important.

 

[Ollie]

Do podiums contribute to the "speed" of a competitor? I.e. does the number of wins at Worlds, Nationals, Asian or European champs matter in your definition of fast?

Do previous records matter? I.e. Max Park is a former 3x3x3 average world record holder, Bill Wang is not.

Another clickbaity discussion topic with no analysis done on the OP's part.