out of the top 500 speed solvers (average or fastest solve) are there any queer people?

[VincentCuber]

I’d like to vouch for @VincentCuber I don’t think it’s fair to label him as transphobic. On the junior delegate team for USSCL he seemed very respectful talking about pronouns and such.

I just mean I don't encourage it, but I don't mind it. I can't be transphobic if I'm going off of what my dumb friends have told me.

 

[TipsterTrickster]

like out of the top 500 average or fastest solve cubers are there any ones who are queer in anyway?

Yes!

There are quite a few fast queer cubers, I don't want to just list people I know are queer without permission.

However because gender is public you can see people who's gender is set to 'other' ranked by kinch here: https://wca.cuber.pro/kinch/persons?regionId=world&gender=o&show=100+Persons (I'm currently 5th on this list)

 

[GloopyGum]

There is a clear difference between not liking queer people and outright queer-phobia. But there is no clear line between the two. And, as most things in morals, the question becomes why even dislike queer prople in general if you don't hate them.

I would say it's wrong to dislike queer people because they are queer; after all, we are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions. But it's definitely possible to dislike queer people for other reasons.

Also, the original Hebrew/Greek text of the Bible hasn't changed one jot since the middle ages or since when they were first written. The message that the Bible says about LGBTQ+ hasn't changed since then: Show love to everyone, regardless of whether they identify as LGBTQ+ or not. After all, everyone is sinful, straight or gay, and they shouldn't be treated differently.

And if you were wondering, yes, homosexuality is a sin in the Bible.

I do admit that recent translations or messages could have distorted this message though
(Forgive my rant, but this is something that's really important to me)

 

[Thom S.]

Also, the original Hebrew/Greek text of the Bible hasn't changed one jot since the middle ages or since when they were first written.

There are things I agree with in your posts, things I don't agree with, but this is so easily debunked.

 

[n0nco]

ok thanks so much the answers and im so amazing jessica fridric is trans lol hopefully these debates about phobia dont go too far i'll read all the details tomorrow thanks bYEEEE

 

[PiKeeper]

There are things I agree with in your posts, things I don't agree with, but this is so easily debunked.

How is it easily debunked? I’m really interested to hear this since it would contradict millions of people’s beliefs about the Bible.

 

[Thom S.]

How is it easily debunked? I’m really interested to hear this since it would contradict millions of people’s beliefs about the Bible.

In order to stay on Topic this will be my last reply
Anyway

There are Websites that compare different Versions of the Bible
The Whole Point of Martin Luthers german Translation of the Bible was that the by-then habit of monks hand-translating the bible with their own beliefs was used for the evil that the christian church of the time is not known for. Monks were Hand-copying bibles which took years off of their lifes and were then shipped of to other monasteries since monks were the only ones able to read the latin those bibles were written in before.

Christianity, in terms of absolute age, isn't as old as the religions it borrows texts from. In other words, it's a mish-mash like the english language. The problem is, from archeology we know that many concepts languages today have didn't exist back then.(many resources out there, nomen plurals as one, old hebrews common exclusion of daughters in family writings, age being used as a measure of wisdom, instead of how it's used now; linguistics is an interesting topic). It's foolish to think that all the translations don't also mean a change of the way things are portaied.
Furthermore, a quick google search tells that the oldest complete-by-todays-standards bible known is from the 7th century and bibles with entire different sections can be dated back about 1000 years earlier. As can be seen with important scriptures from roman origin, book-keeping of events that happened/allegedly happened had commonly been done years or decades after, this by law creates a silent telephone situation.

Tl;DR
Have you tried to research different versions of the bible?


Let's get back on topic now

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

And if you were wondering, yes, homosexuality is a sin in the Bible.

False. Homosexuality, as in being attracted to people of the same gender, is not wrong per se. However, it's acting upon those feelings that's considered sinful by the Bible.

How is it easily debunked? I’m really interested to hear this since it would contradict millions of people’s beliefs about the Bible.

It is literally impossible that in a time where everything had to be written by hand, no mistakes were made, ever. Especially with such a widespread book as the Bible. Besides, there very obviously are multiple versions of Hebrew/Greek texts of the Bible.
However, the message of the Bible is still the same as it was when written down.

Also yeah it's not good to hate people. Respect everyone as a person, also if you disagree with their lifestyle.

 

[GloopyGum]

Wait, I can't just leave this unresponded to

1. Monks did NOT copy bibles to put their own beliefs in there. The reason that hand-copying Bibles took years is because they were so careful in preserving every word perfectly. Copying a single word often took over a minute, and pages with a single error were destroyed and redone. Even if monks did alter the Bible, it's literally impossible for the one or two BIbles they made to circulate at all, because people with authentic BIbles would quickly realize that the copy was fake.

2. We have Dead Sea Scrolls dating from basically a few decades after the Bible was completed that match our copies of the original text almost word for word.

3. The Bible doesn't borrow texts (the Bible itself says that).

Btw, I meant homosexuality as acting upon same-sex attraction

@Thom S. and @Jorian Meeuse If you wanna discuss more you can DM me i guess so we don't clutter this thread.

 

[Running for cube]

There are things I agree with in your posts, things I don't agree with, but this is so easily debunked.

Exactly. The prodestant bible stripped some books from the original catholic bible, and different translations can change different things. We’ve all seen those videos of translating songs to some other language, translating them back and then them being like completely different

 

[Weston_Todd]

Can we please remember what this thread is about? No offense, but I'd rather you talk about this in another thread so I don't have to keep getting notified when you talk about something off-topic.

 

[caleb_g]

i just wanna say, the current version of the bible is translated directly from hebrew/the earliest manuscripts, it hasnt been mixed up at all from the originals and is quite sound and noncontradictory

 

[ProStar]

Jumping in to ask that we get on topic. The morality of LGBTQ+ beliefs, the validity of the Bible or its different translations, etc. is not at all the original intention. The thread asked a very simple question: who are some notable/fast cubers who have labeled themselves under the “queer” umbrella. As a Christian who has done my best to educate myself on my faith, I can say there has been some atrociously misinformed statements made about the Bible/Christians/etc, but that is not the point of this thread. If someone wants to continue this discussion, I would personally suggest that you create a new thread in the off-topic subforum, as that discussion has nothing to do with cubing.

 

[artless1der]

like out of the top 500 average or fastest solve cubers are there any ones who are queer in anyway?

that is both really offensive and stupid

 

[VincentCuber]

that is both really offensive and stupid

he asked a question

 

[artless1der]

he asked a question

wow, dunno about other languages but in English (both in USA and UK) in general the Q-word is a negative derogatory term referring to males who are homosexual

 

[GloopyGum]

Update: I made another thread because I think there are quite a few people who'd like to discuss LGBTQ+ beliefs, the validity of the Bible or its different translations, etc, to quote ProStar.

 

[An Animating Cuber]

wow, dunno about other languages but in English (both in USA and UK) in general the Q-word is a negative derogatory term referring to males who are homosexual

Queer used to be used as slur back in the mid to late 1900 but all it really means now is an umbrella term for LGBT+ people. If anyone wants to continue this discussion go to @GloopyGum thread as I will start replying there

 

[Billabob]

I don't care what a 2000 year old book or 11 year olds on a forum say, I'm going to keep living my life the way I want to. You can discuss scripture and agonise over the meaning of specific translations of specific lines all you want. But I'm here and if you seriously believe god would make me this way with the sole intent of punishing me for all eternity, that makes no sense and it's obviously a lie a demon told you. Have some more sense and less hate

 

[caleb_g]

I don't care what a 2000 year old book or 11 year olds on a forum say, I'm going to keep living my life the way I want to. You can discuss scripture and agonise over the meaning of specific translations of specific lines all you want. But I'm here and if you seriously believe god would make me this way with the sole intent of punishing me for all eternity, that makes no sense and it's obviously a lie a demon told you. Have some more sense and less hate

but that is not the point of this thread.

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