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The Ortega Method- How it works, and how to be world-class with it

blokpoi

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For the y-perm why don't you get rid of that D move and do R U' R' U' F2 U' R U R' U F2?

Plus if you had solved-diag you could do R U' R' U' F2 U' R U R' U R2 F2

without having to do an x2 and do the alg.
 
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blokpoi

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I find doing the D move faster, although your alg for solved-diag is tots awesome.
Also I just am watching the walkthrough solve part now and tips, and when you had diag-solved you did an x2 and did your alg, it might be faster to do R2 U' R2' U R2 U' R2' U R2 just a thought lol
 

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Also I just am watching the walkthrough solve part now and tips, and when you had diag-solved you did an x2 and did your alg, it might be faster to do R2 U' R2' U R2 U' R2' U R2 just a thought lol
I find it more effective to influence your PBL rather than learn more algs in order to avoid rotations. I think that influencing and getting better cases better than just making crappy cases kinda fast with more algs. Although your way certainly also works.
 

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I find it more effective to influence your PBL rather than learn more algs in order to avoid rotations. I think that influencing and getting better cases better than just making crappy cases kinda fast with more algs. Although your way certainly also works.
Right but even if you influence, lets say that you still end up with it, wouldn't you waste more time rotating and doing the alg then doing an easily sub .8 2gen alg?
 

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Right but even if you influence, lets say that you still end up with it, wouldn't you waste more time rotating and doing the alg then doing an easily sub .8 2gen alg?
You're right. My point is just that if you had to pick between learning alternate OLL algs and alternate PBL algs, I think the former would be more effective, although the best thing to do would be do to both.
 

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You're right. My point is just that if you had to pick between learning alternate OLL algs and alternate PBL algs, I think the former would be more effective, although the best thing to do would be do to both.
Alternate OLL algs can sometimes influence a bad pbl however. Like an alternate Pi case: (U')R' F R2 U' R2 F R swaps the front two pieces, which if you have a bar in back, can give you a diag-solved or adj-solved, or if you have a diag on the bottom it can mess up your pbl recog by giving you a bar instead.
 

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Alternate OLL algs can sometimes influence a bad pbl however. Like an alternate Pi case: (U')R' F R2 U' R2 F R swaps the front two pieces, which if you have a bar in back, can give you a diag-solved or adj-solved, or if you have a diag on the bottom it can mess up your pbl recog by giving you a bar instead.
yeah... that's why you should learn 3 or 4 algs for each OLL, so that you can always get a good PBL... What's your point?
 

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Sorry, you're right. Learning alternate algs for PBL is useful, and I probably should have included that in the video. My thought process behind not putting that in the vid in the first place is that I think that it's more important to learn more OLL algs. Yeah?
Well in my opinion learning both oll and pbl algs is useful, I wouldn't really say learn more for influencing pbls though, more for angle purposes. In their own sense both new OLL and PBL algs are useful and important.
 

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Do you use an alg for Diagonal on the 2nd layer, and the Bar on the 1st Layer, or do you do a z2 and execute the other alg?
 
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