The method debate thread

[ProStar]

https://www.cubeskills.com/tutorials/2018-livestreams/december-2018-livestream
22:47 you need to make a cube skills account but you dont need to be premium

That's not Roux. That's CFOP with F2B to start

21:57 "lets do some roux solves"

So If I say "I'm gonna do ZZ solves" and do Cross->F2L-1->EOLS->ZBLL it's ZZ?

 

[ketchupcuber]

no but he was clearly doing roux and anyway it is clear that he has tried other methods unlike what warriorcatcuber said also he did more thn one solve
also if he was doing cfop why did he get a 13 second average

 

[ProStar]

no but he was clearly doing roux and anyway it is clear that he has tried other methods unlike what warriorcatcuber said also he did more thn one solve
also if he was doing cfop why did he get a 13 second average

Watch the video closely, reconstruct the solves. It's not Roux. Saying that's Roux is like saying that my speed solving method is DR cause the last move is a DR. He does F2B then solves LL and the M-Slice. He ends all his solves with a PLL, which is impossible for Roux. He also has never seriously tried other methods, as you can clearly see by his "Roux" solves. And he got a 13 second average because like I said, it was CFOP with a couple lateral moves

 

[Deleted member 51471]

no but he was clearly doing roux and anyway it is clear that he has tried other methods unlike what warriorcatcuber said also he did more thn one solve
also if he was doing cfop why did he get a 13 second average

Did you see the amount of F moves he did during LSE?

 

[ProStar]

Did you see the amount of F moves he did during LSE?

PLL*

 

[ketchupcuber]

Did you see the amount of F moves he did during LSE?

i’m not saying he’s good just that he has tried roux

 

[Nmile7300]

But that isn't roux.

 

[ProStar]

i’m not saying he’s good just that he has tried roux

So if I start doing EO before LS then I can say I've tried ZZ and that it sucks?

 

[ketchupcuber]

did i ever say that feliks says that roux sucks i personally think that roux and cfop are equal and that zz is slightly worse

 

[hummus__]

Excluding CMLL, Roux is completely intuitive. Why do you say this?

Completely off-topic but nice Futaba profile pic

 

[ProStar]

did i ever say that feliks says that roux sucks i personally think that roux and cfop are equal and that zz is slightly worse

What you said is that the video you posted proves Feliks has tried Roux, which is false

 

[ketchupcuber]

What you said is that the video you posted proves Feliks has tried Roux, which is false

so you really think that he knows how to do a method that closely resembles roux without ever trying roux. you actually think that he invented a totally random method and then said let’s do roux and did a that method hmmmmm

 

[ProStar]

so you really think that he knows how to do a method that closely resembles roux without ever trying roux. you actually think that he invented a totally random method and then said let’s do roux and did a that method hmmmmm

"A whole new method"? No, he did F2B then did some combination of inserting DF+DB and CFOP LL, which is NOT Roux but is still popular among CFOP users. Feliks is clearly uninformed as to what Roux actually is


You're also yet to say clearly that the solves he did were the Roux method. Look at them and see if they're actually Roux.

 

[ketchupcuber]

"A whole new method"? No, he did F2B then did some combination of inserting DF+DB and CFOP LL, which is NOT Roux but is still popular among CFOP users. Feliks is clearly uninformed as to what Roux actually is


You're also yet to say clearly that the solves he did were the Roux method. Look at them and see if they're actually Roux.

So if someone was doing CFOP and then messed up and it ended up being not CFOP that means that they have no idea what CFOP is and have never tried it i’m sorry but your not making any sense
Edit Also if you were interested in cfop but could not be bothered to learn full oll does that mean you have never tried it.

 

[ProStar]

So if someone was doing CFOP and then messed up and it ended up being not CFOP that means that they have no idea what CFOP is and have never tried it i’m sorry but your not making any sense.

If someone were to do LBL multiple times in a row and say it was CFOP it means they don't know what CFOP is. Take a logic class and come back and say I'm the one not making sense, I'll be waiting

 

[ketchupcuber]

If someone were to do LBL multiple times in a row and say it was CFOP it means they don't know what CFOP is. Take a logic class and come back and say I'm the one not making sense, I'll be waiting

The point is that feliks has tried roux if he had never tried it how could he possibly no what F2B was if you have tried something doesn’t mean you have mastered it. Your point about LBL isn’t valid because LBL isn’t a mixture of CFOP and something else it is a method in its own right whereas Feliks was doing a mixture of CFOP and Roux means he has watched a tutorial on roux and attempted it meaning he has tried it.

 

[Nmile7300]

The point is that feliks has tried roux if he had never tried it how could he possibly no what F2B was if you have tried something doesn’t mean you have mastered it. Your point about LBL isn’t valid because LBL isn’t a mixture of CFOP and something else it is a method in its own right whereas Feliks was doing a mixture of CFOP and Roux means he has watched a tutorial on roux and attempted it meaning he has tried it.

It's simple. If he think what he is doing is roux, which it isn't, then he hasn't tried roux. If he had tried roux, then he would know the correct way to do it.

 

[ProStar]

The point is that feliks has tried roux if he had never tried it how could he possibly no what F2B was if you have tried something doesn’t mean you have mastered it. Your point about LBL isn’t valid because LBL isn’t a mixture of CFOP and something else it is a method in its own right whereas Feliks was doing a mixture of CFOP and Roux means he has watched a tutorial on roux and attempted it meaning he has tried it.

Approximently 1% of that statement makes sense. That's a record!

He doesn't know how Roux works, because if he did then he wouldn't do this weird CFOP-Roux mix and call it Roux

 

[ketchupcuber]

Answer the question has he tried roux
I watched J perms zz tutorial a few days ago I learnt about EO and how ZZ works but in a solve I would not be able to perform perfect ZZ have I tried ZZ yes am I good at it obviously not but trying something is very different to mastering something a concept you seem unable to wrap your head around.

 

[ProStar]

Answer the question has he tried roux

I'm not stalking him so I can't say anything as a confirmed fact, but I can say that based on the video you linked he doesn't know how proper Roux works

I watched J perms zz tutorial a few days ago I learnt about EO and how ZZ works but in a solve I would not be able to perform perfect ZZ have I tried ZZ yes am I good at it obviously not but trying something is very different to mastering something a concept you seem unable to wrap your head around.

But if you say you're going to do ZZ but then do CFOP with EO before LS then does that count as doing ZZ?