Should events be dropped for the 2021 Weekly Competition?

[BenChristman1]

As long as some people find enjoyment in Speed FMC more than people despise it, I say keep it. There aren't too many events quite yet, it's pretty feasible to complete all of the events throughout a week. The weekly comp is far from too full IMO, however, that might not be the case later on.

I definitely agree. Even though I DNF more attempts than I would care to admit, I very much enjoy all of the attempts that I do.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

I feel like speed fewest moves is something that isn't really worthwhile since you are basically doing a sloppy job of FMC by doing it faster. The best part of FMC in my opinion is being creative and exploring different solutions, which is why Speed FMC isn't much fun by comparison.

I don't think it should be removed, I wasn't clear at all now that I think about it, I was just explaining why it has low participation

 

[Kit Clement]

But who is out there that is enjoying the event? I'm not sure I'm aware of anyone that competes in it regularly and at a reasonable skill level for the enjoyment of the event rather than going for a new profile event or completing as many events in a week. As the proposer of the event, I think it definitely had a lot of potential, but it has turned out to be an event that doesn't reward intuition but instead being lucky enough to go down the right path first. I had also thought that it might promote more varieties of solving methods at a high level, but with DR becoming so fast for those at a high level, the best at speedFMC probably would just do DR every time too.

I don't know if there's a way to fix the event through the scoring method or some other modification, but as it stands, I think it really ended up being kind of a dud event for me after the first few months. And I'm not aware of anyone else that ended up gaining enthusiasm for the event either.

I'm really glad we tried it (and very thankful for Mike laboring through getting the website set up to handle this strange event!), as we learned a lot about how to make an event that rewards both speed and efficiency. But I think that in reality, the best way to combine these now is via linear FMC on bluetooth cubes, which is not conducive to an online competition without an app regulating the solve and scanning for cheaters.

 

[qwr]

wait we care about cheaters? how do you even catch them

 

[Deleted member 54663]

wait we care about cheaters? how do you even catch them

well it just ruins the fun for them

 

[ichcubegerne]

I am fine with keeping the relays^^ Its costing me like 20 minutes to do them all at most. I just feel that good allrounders wannt and deserve their chance at competing in every event, to not lose a pb chance. But as it is now, it costs a LOT of time to do that. For reference: Abhijeet did a Relay of the weekly comp that took 4hours. Now take into account that he didnt do MBF,FMC,SpeedFMC,Curvy,Feet,HugeBLD and that he is very decent in all events, so there are barely any people getting the comp done as fast. If you wanna take your time and do all events besides HugeBLD, you can be sure that it takes more than 10 hours. I feel like that is already a lot of time and I would hate to see it get more for useless events that no one enjoys like SpeedFMC, just because some people say "Lets not remove events, I have no arguments but some people might enjoy it"

 

[BenChristman1]

I am fine with keeping the relays^^ Its costing me like 20 minutes to do them all at most. I just feel that good allrounders wannt and deserve their chance at competing in every event, to not lose a pb chance. But as it is now, it costs a LOT of time to do that. For reference: Abhijeet did a Relay of the weekly comp that took 4hours. Now take into account that he didnt do MBF,FMC,SpeedFMC,Curvy,Feet,HugeBLD and that he is very decent in all events, so there are barely any people getting the comp done as fast. If you wanna take your time and do all events besides HugeBLD, you can be sure that it takes more than 10 hours. I feel like that is already a lot of time and I would hate to see it get more for useless events that no one enjoys like SpeedFMC, just because some people say "Lets not remove events, I have no arguments but some people might enjoy it"

10 hours < 1 week (168 hours)

There is NO GOOD REASON to remove everything because there is plenty of time to do every event.

no one enjoys like SpeedFMC

Unless you’ve talked to every member that has competed in Speed FMC, you can’t say that. You haven’t talked to me, so I know for a fact that you haven’t.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Unless you’ve talked to every member that has competed in Speed FMC, you can’t say that. You haven’t talked to me, so I know for a fact that you haven’t.

Yes, but I guess I am at least asking: does anyone actually enjoy Speed FMC? I haven't seen any actual evidence that anyone does. I have found that I prefer doing regular FMC fast to doing speed FMC.

 

[BenChristman1]

Yes, but I guess I am at least asking: does anyone actually enjoy Speed FMC? I haven't seen any actual evidence that anyone does. I have found that I prefer doing regular FMC fast to doing speed FMC.

I enjoy it. I’m probably the only one, though.

 

[tx789]

10 hours < 1 week (168 hours)

There is NO GOOD REASON to remove everything because there is plenty of time to do every event.

Maybe for you. Some people will have commitments that mean they might only have a few hours to cube. So this agrument isn't very good.


However removing something makes sense if almost no one does it.

 

[BenChristman1]

Maybe for you. Some people will have commitments that mean they might only have a few hours to cube. So this agrument isn't very good.

I could start an argument about commitments and time management, but I’m not going to do that.

However removing something makes sense if almost no one does it.

Give me a number. How many people should do an event to remove it? Based on the stats that Mike shared earlier, if we remove SpeedFMC, we should remove Curvy Copter and Feet as well, but nobody’s saying anything about either of those events being removed.

 

[Nir1213]

Maybe for you. Some people will have commitments that mean they might only have a few hours to cube. So this agrument isn't very good.


However removing something makes sense if almost no one does it.

some people might like the event, its better to keep an event than to remove it, as it doesnt really do anything except hurt the people who like the event.

 

[Kit Clement]

Speed FMC has had 1, 0, 2, 1 and 2 competitors compete in the last five completed weeks. It may have decent participation numbers from this year as Mike has shown, but there were 10-40 people doing the event each of the first 5 weeks or so that are likely to boost that quite a bit. If it's simple to generate, I'd be interested to see weekly participation in that event over each week of this year, maybe compared to events like Feet or Curvy Copter.

 

[tx789]

some people might like the event, its better to keep an event than to remove it, as it doesnt really do anything except hurt the people who like the event.

But that could be like 2 people.

 

[xyzzy]

Yes, but I guess I am at least asking: does anyone actually enjoy Speed FMC? I haven't seen any actual evidence that anyone does. I have found that I prefer doing regular FMC fast to doing speed FMC.

I… kind of like it? I'm just too lazy to actually do it (or even normal FMC) regularly.

 

[One Wheel]

Just a couple of comments:

Relays: are fun. There's a fair argument to be made that 2-6 doesn't really add much, although I enjoy that relay probably the most. I would be very interested in adding a 5-7 relay if there was interest in adding a different one.

Feet: I would compete more, but it ends up being frustrating timing with my phone. I should pick up a proper stack mat and I would probably compete every week. I believe the event has a lot of value, and it was a great mistake for the WCA to drop it, I would be deeply disappointed if it were to disappear from the WC.

Curvy copter: I would like better hardware, I need to replace the stickers on my puzzle, that much is all on me. Scrambling is a little frustrating, it would be helpful to add some line breaks in the scrambles to make them easier to read. I suggest formatting like this if possible:

Current format:
UR UL UB UR UB UR UF UL UF UB UR LB UL UF LB RF UR RF UR UF UL UB UR UF LB UB UR RB UB LF UF UR UB UL UF RF UR UB UL LF UF LF DB LB DB DL LB DF LF DL DR DB UB- LF- UL UB+ LF+ UF+ LB+ UL UF- LB- UL+ RB+ UB UL- RB- LB UF+ LB+ UL UF- LB- UL+ DF+ LF UL- DF- DL DB UF+ DR+ RF UF- DR- UF LF LB+ DR+ DB LB- DR- LB UL+2 LB UL-2 LF-2 DB+ RB UR DL+2 LF+2 DL LF UF+ RF+2 UF RF UF+2 RF+ UR RF UR+ LF+ UF LF+2 RB+

Better format:
UR UL UB UR UB UR UF UL UF UB UR LB UL UF LB RF UR RF UR UF UL UB UR UF LB UB UR RB UB LF UF UR UB UL UF RF UR UB UL LF UF LF DB LB DB DL LB DF LF DL DR DB
UB- LF- UL UB+ LF+
UF+ LB+ UL UF- LB-
UL+ RB+ UB UL- RB-
LB
UF+ LB+ UL UF- LB-
UL+ DF+ LF UL- DF-
DL DB
UF+ DR+ RF UF- DR-
UF LF
LB+ DR+ DB LB- DR-
LB UL+2 LB UL-2 LF-2 DB+ RB UR DL+2 LF+2 DL LF UF+ RF+2 UF RF UF+2 RF+ UR RF UR+ LF+ UF LF+2 RB+

 

[abunickabhi]

I am fine with keeping the relays^^ Its costing me like 20 minutes to do them all at most. I just feel that good allrounders wannt and deserve their chance at competing in every event, to not lose a pb chance. But as it is now, it costs a LOT of time to do that. For reference: Abhijeet did a Relay of the weekly comp that took 4hours. Now take into account that he didnt do MBF,FMC,SpeedFMC,Curvy,Feet,HugeBLD and that he is very decent in all events, so there are barely any people getting the comp done as fast. If you wanna take your time and do all events besides HugeBLD, you can be sure that it takes more than 10 hours. I feel like that is already a lot of time and I would hate to see it get more for useless events that no one enjoys like SpeedFMC, just because some people say "Lets not remove events, I have no arguments but some people might enjoy it"

I did do 2 cube MBLD, and memoed for 6BLD. Will do FMCs, 7BLD, FTO, CC in my next speedrun too.
https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/speedrun-setup-for-all-ss-events.80102/ is where I will be updating about the future speedruns of weekly comps.