Relays are ****ing useless. Its just who is the best at the biggest puzzle. And we have these puzzles anyway^^What useless events? All of them aren’t useless by any means. The closest to useless any of these are is 3x3 match, and I find that one to be quite fun
Then why dont we just introduce every single event, no matter how stupid it is? Its about keeping the people that participate in an event at a high level and not add useless stuff thats useless.You can't run out of room for an online competition. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. It's not like it's filling up a schedule or anything.
Language, Big GuyRelays are ****ing useless. Its just who is the best at the biggest puzzle. And we have these puzzles anyway^^
I wasn't talking about adding anything, I was talking about not removing anything.Then why dont we just introduce every single event, no matter how stupid it is? Its about keeping the people that participate in an event at a high level and not add useless stuff thats useless.
I agree. Perhaps add a participation count that a event has to meet in order for it to stay?I would rather only add events that will generate meaningful participation. Adding too many more events will spread people's time too thin to participate in events they like, which already seems to be happening for many events in the weekly competition. There are many events I have in mind that deserve consideration to be added (like FTO), but I think it would be reasonable to consider taking out events that are not generating meaningful participation and competition.
That’s awesome! I completely understand what you’re saying.I think that all of this discussion is worthwhile. I do intend to add a couple of discussion threads (one for adding events, one for removing events) sometime over the next few days to begin this discussion.
I do feel that it was a mistake last year to add 4 events. That was too many; a maximum of 2 per year is plenty, and I will not go over that again in the future. The main reason I did it last year was because I got personally invested in the two that were losing. I won't make that mistake again. I suppose it can be argued that the third and fourth events being added were actually of some value. Curvy copter allowed an actual jumbling event to be held. If the hardware were not so bad, I suspect there would be a lot more participation there. And speed fewest moves was useful to run in that it showed the event wasn't quite as good an idea as it initially seemed. But I do find it somewhat aesthetically unpleasing to remove events - it gives a sense of imbalance to the database somehow. Still, I have mechanisms for doing it, so it can be done.
My goal will be to have discussions over the next couple of weeks, and then polls to determine the actual changes that finish about a week before the end of the year, so that I have time to implement the changes. I will definitely increase the amount of support required to add new events this year - I think I have been too lenient in the past. I'm still not sure how to handle removing events, but I will at least start the discussion this year, and we can see where that goes.
I don't think that participation count is a particularly good way to choose events to drop. As I have said on numerous occasions before, I will not consider dropping 6x6x6 BLD or 7x7x7 BLD, as I consider the existence of those events to be payment for my running the competitions. As for the other events, there are cases where some important official WCA events (such as FMC) have significantly lower participation than events that probably ought to be considered highest priority for removal (such as the relays). Removing events should probably be more about the events not really contributing to the experience in any significant way. If people are doing events for no other reason than to mark them complete, and no one is really enjoying them, that would be the main reason for dropping an event.One reason I am hesitant to make changes to the relays is that we have already had churn on this in the past, and I prefer continuity in the weekly competitions if possible. From 2010 through 2016, 2-6 and 2-7 relays were discontinued, and by popular demand, they were brought back in 2017. I wish we had simply left them in place during those years; I certainly don't want this sort of thing to happen again if possible. I feel it's better to move slowly on such changes, especially since the weekly competition doesn't really hurt anyone by being too many events. I prefer to be somewhat slow to add new events, and extremely slow to remove them.
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