[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

I am a CFOP solver (and a slow one at that) starting to learn Roux just as a fun alternative to mess around with. Yesterday in a solve, after CMLL I was left with a Z-perm by pure chance. Of course I screwed it up, but it made me wonder: would a Roux user use an alg they happen to know from another method if they happened upon a situation where it woud solve the cube, or would they continue to just solve with Roux because they were already in the mindset and they would get a faster solve despite a longer solution?
 
atvan said:
I am a CFOP solver (and a slow one at that) starting to learn Roux just as a fun alternative to mess around with. Yesterday in a solve, after CMLL I was left with a Z-perm by pure chance. Of course I screwed it up, but it made me wonder: would a Roux user use an alg they happen to know from another method if they happened upon a situation where it woud solve the cube, or would they continue to just solve with Roux because they were already in the mindset and they would get a faster solve despite a longer solution?
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On rare occasion when I finish the CMLL I notice that F2B can be extended easily to F2L with preserving the EO, hence leaving only a quick EPLL to finish the whole cube. But that is very, very rare for me. Some people extend F2B to F2L if it is easy (for example, FD is already in its place and BD can be inserted in 2-3 moves), and finish the solve with OLL+PLL.

It is good to know many different methods, because one particular case can be easier if you recognise it and switch to another method during the solve. But you have to be really familiar with those methods and cases (otherwise it is easy to get confused during the solving).
 
atvan said:
I am a CFOP solver (and a slow one at that) starting to learn Roux just as a fun alternative to mess around with. Yesterday in a solve, after CMLL I was left with a Z-perm by pure chance. Of course I screwed it up, but it made me wonder: would a Roux user use an alg they happen to know from another method if they happened upon a situation where it woud solve the cube, or would they continue to just solve with Roux because they were already in the mindset and they would get a faster solve despite a longer solution?
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I believe the "roux way" of doing the z perm is one move less than the fridrich, but it is slightly harder to fingertrick.

z: M2 U' M2 U' M' U2 M2 U2 M' (9) U2
roux z: M2 U' M2 U E2 M' E2 M' (8)
 
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How do I do the E moves fast?

I want to atleast sub 2 the "E2 M E2 M''" thing. Any videos with fingertricks?
 
So, I think everything apart from my second block and lse in my solves is good. I need to make my second block more efficient and optimize my lse. How do I go about it? Any resources helping me with this?
 
arvind1999 said:
So, I think everything apart from my second block and lse in my solves is good. I need to make my second block more efficient and optimize my lse. How do I go about it? Any resources helping me with this?
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For SB it would be nice to have a list of algs similar to http://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/F2L
I only know Gilles list but some algs contain B moves. Maybe we could start to make such a list on the wiki?
 
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Roux Help

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum. I became a member since I needed some tips for Roux method. I started cubing last November and I am Sub 35 in CFOP, however I wanted to try something new and started roux 2 days ago. I used Waffo's Rouxtorials and they really helped me get the hang of Roux. Then I decided that I'm leaving CFOP and become a Rouxer (If that's even a word :confused:).Now my average is 56.43 secs. I take 30 seconds to finish both the blocks (15 secs for the first one and 10 secs for the second) finish 2 look CLL in 5-8 seconds and take the remaining 10 - 20 seconds for l6e. Here is my session summary:

Rubik's cube
18-Jan-2014 10:45:22 - 11:07:38

Mean: 56.73
Average: 56.43
Best time: 48.53
Median: 56.05
Worst time: 1:06.75
Standard deviation: 5.35

Best average of 5: 53.83
3-7 - 51.34 55.47 54.67 (48.53) (56.63)

1. 1:06.75 D2 B2 R2 D B2 L2 U' B2 R2 D' U' R B L D R2 B D2 U' F U2
2. 59.14 B2 U2 R2 F2 R2 B2 U' F2 D' B2 U2 B' L F' U' F R F' D' U R U
3. 51.34 R2 F2 U' L2 B2 U' F2 D' F2 U R2 F' R2 D2 R' B L' U R D U'
4. 55.47 B2 R2 F2 U' B2 U R2 U L2 D' R2 B R L' D R2 L D' L' F2 L' U2
5. 54.67 R2 L2 D F2 U R2 D' L2 D' R2 F U' B D R L D' L2 D L' U'
6. 48.53 L2 D U2 L2 D B2 L2 F2 L2 D' U2 L D L F R' B2 D U2 F R2 D
7. 56.63 L2 D L2 D' U2 L2 U B2 R2 B2 R2 F D' U2 B2 U' L U R2 F L
8. 1:01.30 D L2 B2 R2 U2 B2 D F2 R2 B2 U2 F' L' B R' U F L F' L2 F2 U

If there are any Rouxers out there in the forums, please give me some tips.
 
definitely try to improve your first block. you get 15 seconds of inspection so it should be faster than your second block. LSE is a really easy place you can improve. drill yourself with all the cases until recognition is 2nd nature. after that, everything should improve naturally through practice. also look at other roux threads on this site like the Roux Help Thread (probably where your questions should go.)
 
Thanks for the tips GuRoux, but the problem is that I'm not able to find the 6 pieced that make up the first block and plan the moves in 15 secs. :(
 
Yeeesss!

Finally I broke some of my long-last records:

Average of 12: 13.92
Average of 50: 14.64
Average of 100: 14.75

And I also have an official 14.75 average.

Can I call myself sub-15? :o
 
Practice the first two blocks.
Try to minimize your movements. Practice block buildings without timing. Try different solutions.
Your first block should be around 6-11 moves in STM. 12 is fine, but if you solve it in example 15 moves, you doing something wrong, and there are numerous shorter solutions.
Look up for Roux reconstructions and examine block buildings.
Alexander Lau has great Roux skills, he is one of the fastest cubers in the world. Here you can find some solutions from him:
http://cubesolv.es/?solver=Alexander+Lau&competition=&puzzle=&time-specifier=&time-value=&tags=

The same true for the second block. On Gilles's site there are good examples for second block building:
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_2.html
(Don't learn them, just study them!)

Drill your algorithms for the two-step CMLL. Practice case recognition. You don't need to learn full CMLL (42 cases) now, you can improve on other parts of the solving (mainly the blocks) much faster.

For LSE, practice EO recognition (Step 4a), drill your algorithms for solving them. This is true for Step 4c) too. Full LSE should be around 15 moves in STM.

And most of all, practice lookahead! Don't rush your solves, pauses are the worst enemy of any cuber - both for beginners or world-class cubers.

Also there is a whole thread for discussing Roux:
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?3842-Roux-Help-and-Discussion-thread
 
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Kirjava said:
Ignore this terrible advice.
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Well, I use red and orange on L and R sides. (not respectively though) And White and yellow on D and U respectively. Should I become colour neutral?

And also my friend says that Roux takes a long time to get sub 20 with (he uses CFOP, so he might be biased) and he says that one of his friends took almost 2 years of practice to get to sub 10 from sub 20. Is this true? Is improving in Roux harder than CFOP.But this doesn't concern me much as I've decided to stick to Roux and I just want to know how much of a grind there is.

Renslay said:
Practice the first two blocks.
Try to minimize your movements. Practice block buildings without timing. Try different solutions.
Your first block should be around 6-11 moves in STM. 12 is fine, but if you solve it in example 15 moves, you doing something wrong, and there are numerous shorter solutions.
Look up for Roux reconstructions and examine block buildings.
Alexander Lau has great Roux skills, he is one of the fastest cubers in the world. Here you can find some solutions from him:
http://cubesolv.es/?solver=Alexander+Lau&competition=&puzzle=&time-specifier=&time-value=&tags=

The same true for the second block. On Gilles's site there are good examples for second block building:
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_2.html
(Don't learn them, just study them!)

Drill your algorithms for the two-step CMLL. Practice case recognition. You don't need to learn full CMLL (42 cases) now, you can improve on other parts of the solving (mainly the blocks) much faster.

For LSE, practice EO recognition (Step 4a), drill your algorithms for solving them. This is true for Step 4c) too. Full LSE should be around 15 moves in STM.

And most of all, practice lookahead! Don't rush your solves, pauses are the worst enemy of any cuber - both for beginners or world-class cubers.

Also there is a whole thread for discussing Roux:
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?3842-Roux-Help-and-Discussion-thread
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Thanks for all these tips. I guess I'll stop timing my solves for a couple of days, and also when should I start learning CMLL? Sub 40? or Sub 30?
 
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I agree with most of what was said here, except the fixed block orientation: it's better to come closer to some kind of color neutrality even if it's minute. For planning blocks, go to the Roux Help and Discussion and post some example solves with annotations of what you were thinking at that point in time. Then many others can help you analyze and improve.
 
ssj456sharath said:
Well, I use red and orange on L and R sides. (not respectively though) And White and yellow on D and U respectively. Should I become colour neutral?

And also my friend says that Roux takes a long time to get sub 20 with (he uses CFOP, so he might be biased) and he says that one of his friends took almost 2 years of practice to get to sub 10 from sub 20. Is this true? Is improving in Roux harder than CFOP.But this doesn't concern me much as I've decided to stick to Roux and I just want to know how much of a grind there is.



Thanks for all these tips. I guess I'll stop timing my solves for a couple of days, and also when should I start learning CMLL? Sub 40? or Sub 30?
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Honestly, it's all a matter of personal preference learning CMLL. If you think the absolute only thing holding you back from better times is full CMLL then go for it. I personally think CMLL would be a big help, but I think other areas like blocks need more help. I'm sub-20 and I havent even hit half of the algs.
 
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