PenguinsDontFly
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nice! I had the same solution until the end of your second block. I did the red-blue pair differently (still got same cmll) i got a low 7
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nice! I had the same solution until the end of your second block. I did the red-blue pair differently (still got same cmll) i got a low 7
theROUXbiksCube
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What was your SB?
PenguinsDontFly
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2180161
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Ok, so I like the Roux method, but average just under 40 seconds with it. I use CFOP as my main as of the moment, but I have a sub-20 average with that and ~34 algs learned for it-all PLL and a couple of OLL. I dont know if I should switch to Roux, or keep going with CFOP. Also, pretend they are random methods.
Should I go with the one I like, or the one I put a lot of time and effort into?
Should I go with the one I like, or the one I put a lot of time and effort into?
Randomno
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Use the one you like more then. It's not worth practicing a method you don't enjoy.
Randomno
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2180161
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So does the same rule for look ahead for CFOP still apply in Roux? also is it harder to look ahead?
JediJupiter
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Yeah look ahead is important, I couldn't say if it's harder or not though.
obelisk477
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I think It's a little harder to look ahead in Roux, but not by much. In terms of lookahead, CFOP doesn't have any totally hidden pieces that need a full rotation to see after completing the cross; you can sort of intuit what BR and BL are by their R and L colors (most of the time). For Roux on the other hand, DB remains a persistent problem after FB, because its possible that whatever is there could be the piece you're looking for for almost any of the other steps -- i.e., it could be either of the edge pieces for SB, it could be flipped or not for EO (although you can learn to deduce which state its in), it could be the ULUR edge you're trying to find, etc.
TDM
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Personally, I don't think it's a "persistent problem". If there's something important there during SB, I know that it's there, and I can look at the back while solving the other pieces so I know I'm pairing up the pieces correctly, without having to pause or slow down. Even if you can't, you can try to use more Rw moves during SB; that allows you to see more pieces than you otherwise would be able to.
Not being able to see it makes almost no difference whatsoever during LSE. I would imagine everyone recognises EO from the five edges they can see, rather than looking at all six; no good CFOP user has to look at all four sides to recognise PLL. You can always track ULUR during EO so you don't have to look in DB for the ULUR edges either.
obelisk477
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I'm not sure we're disagreeing. Everything you just said basically was 'its not a problem if you put more effort into looking ahead' ("track it during EO", "use more Rw to see it"), which is essentially my point. Lookahead is still doable, but requires a little more effort than CFOP.
TDM
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I said you CAN use more Rws, but I don't, and I still can look ahead fine. It's just a way of making lookahead easier - kind of like rotating more in CFOP. It's not a problem if you don't put more effort into looking ahead, but you can if you want to.
... But I don't see how tracking ULUR during EO is putting in more effort. That's literally equivalent to saying 'tracking the next pair is putting more effort in than if you were tracking the next pair'.
obelisk477
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You're fighting the details but not addressing the bigger question. Is, or is not, lookahead harder in Roux than in CFOP? You should know better than others I suppose.
Ross The Boss
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i think you probably like roux because it is new/different. that is probably the reason most people like it tbh. you can invoke the same feeling by solving differently with new alg sets and technequs for your current method. and if youre sub 20 already just stick with the fop. you might as well take it all the way. you can always do solves with other methods even if you arent maining with them.
Ross The Boss
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no. it is different, and so it requires a different way of going about it. example: cfop look ahead is hard as balls for me because i loose the orientation once i rotate the puzzle.
TDM
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I think Roux is harder, but only marginally, simply because there are fewer rotations. In CFOP you constantly get to turn the whole cube and see what's in the back slots, but you don't get that in Roux. The disadvantage of this is that you're constantly moving those pieces around by rotating the cube, which is why it isn't a huge advantage. Having to solve three pieces for the first part of SB is also a bit annoying, but when looking ahead, that third piece is just like another pair to me, so if anything, it's actually easier since it's only one piece to track rather than two.
LSE lookahead is very easy. I don't do 4c "properly" (I use Athefre's method), so lookahead is a bit easier for me, but CMLL -> EO and EO -> ULUR is very easy for anyone.
theROUXbiksCube
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I do what Kavin (GuRoux) told me to do before I was even sub-20, if you want to see the back DB piece you should use (can use) unnecessary R wide moves to see it, or sometimes just look if you forget the orientation.
2180161
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Ok, so I would like to see what I should improve upon if the example solve isnt enough, then... I dont know
Scramble:R2 D L2 U' R2 U B2 D' U2 L2 B2 F' R2 U' L U R D' U' R' F'
FB:y U F' D' B U M U R U2 M' F
SB:U' Rw' U' R M Rw U' R U R2 M U2 R' U M' R U2 Rw' U' R
CMLL:L' U' L U L F' L' F U' -CFOP J-perm
LSE-U' M U M M U2 M' U' M' U' M' U' M' U' M' U2 M' U' M2 U M U2 M' U2 M' U2 M
Sorry the solve is so long. The time for it was ~ 35 seconds.
Scramble:R2 D L2 U' R2 U B2 D' U2 L2 B2 F' R2 U' L U R D' U' R' F'
FB:y U F' D' B U M U R U2 M' F
SB:U' Rw' U' R M Rw U' R U R2 M U2 R' U M' R U2 Rw' U' R
CMLL:L' U' L U L F' L' F U' -CFOP J-perm
LSE-U' M U M M U2 M' U' M' U' M' U' M' U' M' U2 M' U' M2 U M U2 M' U2 M' U2 M
Sorry the solve is so long. The time for it was ~ 35 seconds.
TDM
Legend
Does not work.
E: Your FB is fine, but I don't know what your SB is doing. I inverted your LSE; here's how I would solve it:
M' // correct centres
U2 M' U' M' U2 M' U' M' // EO
U' M' U2 M // ULUR
U M U2 M' // EP
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CubeCow
Regular
Roux block building methods?
I'm learning Roux, and I want to know how you guys build your 1x2x3 blocks.
I currently insert botom edges like cross pieces, then F2L and repeat on the other side.
I'm learning Roux, and I want to know how you guys build your 1x2x3 blocks.
I currently insert botom edges like cross pieces, then F2L and repeat on the other side.
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