[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

[PenguinsDontFly]

you're probably already going at 4+ tps. in a speedsolve, i average around 50-51 moves so my tps is slightly above 5.

I am at 4-5 now in blocks and low 4 in lse, but I wasnt last week when I wasnt sub 13.5
Probably just on 4 tps: my blocks and lse are 40 (25+15) so 40/11 is 3.6 ish, but lets say 45 moves so its 4 tps. I wont count cmll because it doesnt count and is highly variable in tps and movecount

 

[GuRoux]

I am at 4-5 now in blocks and low 4 in lse, but I wasnt last week when I wasnt sub 13.5

i think for me, blocks are 5, cmll is 4.5-5, and lse is 6.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

i think for me, blocks are 5, cmll is 4.5-5, and lse is 6.

Wait what? Why cmll so slow for you? Whats the average cmll movecount? I can sub 2 all of mine but 1.

 

[DeeDubb]

i think for me, blocks are 5, cmll is 4.5-5, and lse is 6.

huh?

 

[rybaby]

CMLL tps will probably be skewed by recognition pauses. I remember a thread a while back that analyzed reconstructions of top cubers and found that intuitive steps usually have higher tps than algorithmic steps.

 

[GuRoux]

Wait what? Why cmll so slow for you? Whats the average cmll movecount? I can sub 2 all of mine but 1.

i included recognition for cmll and lse, i think the movecount is about 10.5

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

I predict co in sb, but the case 1/6 or 1/4 still takes half a second, so obviously recog + execution tps is gonna be slow because for half a second, tps is 0. What is your cmll tps without recog? Mine would be 6 ish, but I bet its more like 7 or 8 since some of my algs are 16 moves but are quite fast.

 

[GuRoux]

I predict co in sb, but the case 1/6 or 1/4 still takes half a second, so obviously recog + execution tps is gonna be slow because for half a second, tps is 0. What is your cmll tps without recog? Mine would be 6 ish, but I bet its more like 7 or 8 since some of my algs are 16 moves but are quite fast.

just did every alg once: 1.39s average. i recalculated my movecount an i think it is 9.85 moves. 7.1 tps.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

just did every alg once: 1.39s average. i recalculated my movecount an i think it is 9.85 moves. 7.1 tps.

Nice.

 

[waffle=ijm]

5 first block, 5 second block, 3-5 cmll, 1.5-2.5 eo, 2 left right bits, 2 rest
Comes to about 22-23 normally though

def blocks and LSE. You're really spending too much time on LSE in general.

 

[CheesecakeCuber]

def blocks and LSE. You're really spending too much time on LSE in general.

Yep. I think first block can be dropped to like 3-4. You might be able to shave off a second or a half from CMLL if you learn to predict the CP after doing CO (like after I do this sune with my alg, I will be left with...). Turn faster for LSE and track UL and UR. Make use of cancellations to avoid excessively long solutions.

 

[PenguinsDontFly]

Yep. I think first block can be dropped to like 3-4. You might be able to shave off a second or a half from CMLL if you learn to predict the CP after doing CO (like after I do this sune with my alg, I will be left with...). Turn faster for LSE and track UL and UR. Make use of cancellations to avoid excessively long solutions.

First block can be sub 4 easy. Plan it in inspection and do 3-4 tps. Sb is fine, cmll meh for now learn full, lse less pause slower turning more lookahead.

 

[CheesecakeCuber]

First block can be sub 4 easy. Plan it in inspection and do 3-4 tps. Sb is fine, cmll meh for now learn full, lse less pause slower turning more lookahead.

If you're lazy like me, you don't even have to learn full CMLL to sub 4. I just did an average and my CMLL is like high 3s with some full CMLL algs in there. But I noticed that those were among my slowest :/ weird...

 

[abomb2o11]

Is there a website that Shows a bunch of ways you can build you ftb, while explaining extremely thoroughly how the main ways to build them are? This is my main problem as I know there are probably far better ways of blok building than I am doing.

 

[GuRoux]

Is there a website that Shows a bunch of ways you can build you ftb, while explaining extremely thoroughly how the main ways to build them are? This is my main problem as I know there are probably far better ways of blok building than I am doing.

roux example solve thread has a lot of solves you can look at. also the reconstruction database.

 

[DeeDubb]

Is there a website that Shows a bunch of ways you can build you ftb, while explaining extremely thoroughly how the main ways to build them are? This is my main problem as I know there are probably far better ways of blok building than I am doing.

Also, Waffo, GuRoux, and I have been putting up a lot of walkthrough solve videos on YouTube that you should check out.

 

[markfiend]

I'm currently averaging about 45s for Roux. I have 2-look CMLL memorised (and slowly learning more CMLL algs with a view to getting full CMLL learned... eventually) but my splits seem to show that I'm spending too much time on the blocks compared with CmLL and L6E. Any tips other than just practice, practice, practice? I've skimmed a few pages of this thread and I'm already splitting between timed solves and untimed, and drilling myself on the algs I already know.

Is it just a case of persistence will eventually pay off? I think I may be being impatient with myself; when I first started learning Roux a couple of months ago, I was struggling to beat 70 seconds - I guess cutting that time by about 35% in three months is pretty good going.

 

[Lonely Parrot]

Progress report guys! My Aolong and Zhanchi arrived yesterday(Hurray for first speedcubes!) an I have been practicing. I got each step down except the CMLL as I have to learn the algorithms but guess what? I realised that my recognition is superb, I just take like 0.5 secs to recognise the case and check if I was correct and I am correct 85% time I just need to learn the algs and I want to print them all, but unfortunately my printer has some problems :C Hope it gets fixed soon and will keep practising blocks till then

 

[JediJupiter]

Progress report guys! My Aolong and Zhanchi arrived yesterday(Hurray for first speedcubes!) an I have been practicing. I got each step down except the CMLL as I have to learn the algorithms but guess what? I realised that my recognition is superb, I just take like 0.5 secs to recognise the case and check if I was correct and I am correct 85% time I just need to learn the algs and I want to print them all, but unfortunately my printer has some problems :C Hope it gets fixed soon and will keep practising blocks till then

Fantastic! Were you going to learn full cmll already? Personally I saved onto my phone screenshots of the algdb website after they added cmll, I take my phone everywhere, and so I can learn algs or check em if I forget em any time.

 

[GuRoux]

I'm currently averaging about 45s for Roux. I have 2-look CMLL memorised (and slowly learning more CMLL algs with a view to getting full CMLL learned... eventually) but my splits seem to show that I'm spending too much time on the blocks compared with CmLL and L6E. Any tips other than just practice, practice, practice? I've skimmed a few pages of this thread and I'm already splitting between timed solves and untimed, and drilling myself on the algs I already know.

Is it just a case of persistence will eventually pay off? I think I may be being impatient with myself; when I first started learning Roux a couple of months ago, I was struggling to beat 70 seconds - I guess cutting that time by about 35% in three months is pretty good going.

recognition is probably what you want to work on for cmll. make sure you are averaging less than 20 moves for lse.