rybaby
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Yes, I just failed BLD today
I usually average 1:40 or so. I was hoping to win but it's ok. Mike has been practicing a lot recently; he deserves it. I was going to do 4x4 but I gave it up so I could manage the comp better.
[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help
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Yes, I just failed BLD today
I usually average 1:40 or so. I was hoping to win but it's ok. Mike has been practicing a lot recently; he deserves it. I was going to do 4x4 but I gave it up so I could manage the comp better.
Ross The Boss
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Honestly, recognition is just as big a part of roux as it is CFOP. It's just that the structure of CFOP is very explicit with each "look" that one is to take: one for the cross (+ 1 F2L pair if you're boss), one for each remaining f2l pair (so 4 or 3 in total), one for oll, one for pll. Roux is not as obvious when it comes to each look, specifically with the first two blocks. Look ahead blurs the lines between each "look"/recognition with both CFOP and Roux equally. And in the end, you will have dealt with certain situations so often that they all just become muscle memory. So in all, i think that Roux is just as algorithmic as CFOP, you would be hard pressed to get any good with a purely intuitive method.
I often wonder why people call roux intuitive, and I think that it is just because the way one finds his algorithims is intuitive. But if that is the case, why isnt CFOP called intuitive? F2l is usually developed intuitively and that comprises the majority of the solve.
I often wonder why people call roux intuitive, and I think that it is just because the way one finds his algorithims is intuitive. But if that is the case, why isnt CFOP called intuitive? F2l is usually developed intuitively and that comprises the majority of the solve.
waffle=ijm
Waffo
on the matter of big cubes. I say stick to CFOP for 6 and 7. Depending on how big your hands are 4 and 5 are actually pretty easy when it comes to roux.
Ross The Boss
Veteran
my hands are about average sized and i do roux on 7x7. though it is a very dangerous game.
Ross The Boss
Veteran
but then again, i suck at 7x7 XD
sneaklyfox
Legend
How about just learn everything, but start with Roux if you don't want to get into an F2L rut?
waffle=ijm
Waffo
my comment was meant for those who actually want to be really super good at big cubes.
4x4 and 5x5 are small enough to be Roux'ed relatively fast.
where as 6x6 and 7x7 gets more and more difficult
it's not a matter of Roux being possible on big cubes (because it certainly is possible), rather how fast you can be on big cubes using Roux.
Lonely Parrot
Regular
Guys, I really just wanted to put it out there that I did not really ask if I should choose Roux or CFOP. It has already taken me time to choose what I feel good rather than the most popular method so please and I am in no way saying any method is better than one or that you are giving wrong advice, but just that I want to go with Roux. That being said, can someone give me a site which lists all the algorithms I need for the whole Roux?
DeeDubb
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http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/2lookcmll.htm
That's what you need to get started with Roux.
Eventually you should learn:
http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/cmllalgorithms.htm
But you don't need to learn all those to be sub-30. Only if you want Sub-20 and beyond.
Lonely Parrot
Regular
The link are not working :C. BTW, Sub-30 is just my goal right now. I will surely try to get Sub-10 with hardwork, but for now Sub-30 is the goal. Start small, you know 
waffle=ijm
Waffo
Not even. You can easily sub-15 using 2-look.
DeeDubb
Veteran
YOU can! (I can't)
The link are not working :C. BTW, Sub-30 is just my goal right now. I will surely try to get Sub-10 with hardwork, but for now Sub-30 is the goal. Start small, you know
That waffo guy... if he were still around, I'd yell at him!
Anyway, umm, they are working for me, but I've had bad experiences trying with other browsers or other computers, so I'm not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsh9fI2JqU8
Those are the algs I learned for CMLL.
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Lonely Parrot
Regular
YOU can! (I can't)
You can, Dee. Just need practice and if you get a lot, you might sub-10 with 2-look. Though anyone know any other site? the link which DeeDubb have me is not working :c
waffle=ijm
Waffo
no idea what you're talking about. the website is up just fine for me.
DeeDubb
Veteran
yeah, I'm not sure. I've had issues with it from my work computer. Mostly with images not loading.
Lonely Parrot
Regular
DeeDubb, does not Donovan say in the video that he is just using these algorithms just because they are easy to learn? I don't mind learning other algorithms and I think I would like 1 look ones as in the end, I will be learning them so why not learn them now, right?
Lonely Parrot
Regular
BTW, on this page, why are there like L CMLL, H CMLL etc. What is the diffrence an which one to learn?
Lonely Parrot
Regular
http://algdb.net/ is this site good for the CMLL?
DeeDubb
Veteran
Those are the different cases. Some people use letters, I prefer terms, because they are easier to remember:
Headlights
Blinkers
Double Headlights
Bowtie
Chameleon
Sune
AntiSune
is how I remember them.
That site will be really confusing right now, because it has all the 43 cases. You only need to learn 9 algorithms right now.
Let me explain the difference between 2 Look and 1 Look:
There's eight different ways the corners can be oriented (meaning the ways they are twisted). Those are how I described above, along with an already solved one (where they are already all facing up).
There's six different ways the corners can be permuted (meaning where they are located in relation to each other). These are various swaps, swap top two corners, bottom two corners, left two corners, right two corners, diagonal swap, and finally already permuted correctly.
So, in order to do all of the corners with one algorithm (one look). You need an algorithm for each permutation case (6) within each orientation (8), so 48 algorithms. There are some that reflect symmetrically, which reduces the 48 down to 43.
However, we can do what's called "Two Look" CMLL. This means you will use one algorithm for orientation (twisting) and one algorithm for permuting (swapping). This means you only need to learn one alg for each of the 8 orientation cases (minus one, because it's already solved), and one alg for each of the 6 permutation cases (minus one, because it's already solved). However, for permutation, symmetry means you only need to learn two algorithms.
This reduces the amount of algorithms you need to learn from 43 down to 9. This is nice, but it also means you will have to apply two algorithms for each solve rather than one. Everyone learns 2-look CMLL first, and then expand into 1-Look when they are ready.
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Lonely Parrot
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