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[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

GuRoux said:
i can't think of any but there's this: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?44347-Advanced-Roux-Tutorial
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O, thanks a lot. I was thinking yesterday if I should to be CN x2/y2 from the beginning, or learn it later. And I looked into my son's way of learning Fridrich - he tried to be CN from the beginning. It was hard to him but now he's very good. After 8 months he's sub-19 ao100. This is the same what Kirajava writes in Advanced Roux thread: if you desire colour neutrality you should be doing it from the start.
 
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h2f said:
O, thanks a lot. I was thinking yesterday if I should to be CN x2/y2 from the beginning, or learn it later. And I looked into my son's way of learning Fridrich - he tried to be CN from the beginning. It was hard to him but now he's very good. After 8 months he's sub-19 ao100. This is the same what Kirajava writes in Advanced Roux thread: if you desire colour neutrality you should be doing it from the start.
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Basically that. I had a really hard time switching to color neutral with CFOP, then I switched to ZZ (not for CN reasons). When I switched to Roux, I was advised to start out CN, and it's definitely quite useful (y/x2 neutrality).
 
supercavitation said:
Basically that. I had a really hard time switching to color neutral with CFOP, then I switched to ZZ (not for CN reasons). When I switched to Roux, I was advised to start out CN, and it's definitely quite useful (y/x2 neutrality).
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currently, i am y2 neutral and it's not too bad. i'll definitely give y2 x2 a try sometime later though it'll definitely be work.

edit: after doing some solve, it doesn't seem like it will be as hard as everyone makes it out to be.

just did an average of 12, only yellow bottom blocks: 13.32, it seems like my F2B is about 2 -2.5 seconds slower and CMLL and LSE about .5 seconds slower for now.
 
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GuRoux said:
currently, i am y2 neutral and it's not too bad. i'll definitely give y2 x2 a try sometime later though it'll definitely be work.

edit: after doing some solve, it doesn't seem like it will be as hard as everyone makes it out to be.

just did an average of 12, only yellow bottom blocks: 13.32, it seems like my F2B is about 2 -2.5 seconds slower and CMLL and LSE about .5 seconds slower for now.
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Hm, I don't know, I remember when I switched from y2 to y2/x2. It was hard, but not that hard as [y2/x2 -> y/x2] seems.
y2/x2 definitely worth, however, I'm not so sure about y/x2... Maybe my colors became persistent for me by now.
 
Analyzing Alex's solves here, I realized that I have to practice ZZ more. During the second block, I use <M,R,U> moves too often, even when the solution would be easier with pure <R,U> moves (I guess it is the opposite for those who changed their methods from CFOP to Roux).

I mean particularly this (third solve):

Scramble:
D2 B L2 F' U B' U B D2 B2 U R' F' L R2 F2 D2 F

F2B:
y x' // inspection
D L' D' // Lblock
M' x' U' // LB pair
(r' L') U' R U' R U' R U' // Rblock
R2' U' R U R' U' R // Rpair

For the Rpair, I would do:
R' U (R' M') U' R U r' U' R // Rpair

Which of course far worse. I think ZZ would teach me efficient <R,U> style blockbuilding.
 
Renslay said:
Analyzing Alex's solves here, I realized that I have to practice ZZ more. During the second block, I use <M,R,U> moves too often, even when the solution would be easier with pure <R,U> moves (I guess it is the opposite for those who changed their methods from CFOP to Roux).

I mean particularly this (third solve):

Scramble:
D2 B L2 F' U B' U B D2 B2 U R' F' L R2 F2 D2 F

F2B:
y x' // inspection
D L' D' // Lblock
M' x' U' // LB pair
(r' L') U' R U' R U' R U' // Rblock
R2' U' R U R' U' R // Rpair

For the Rpair, I would do:
R' U (R' M') U' R U r' U' R // Rpair

Which of course far worse. I think ZZ would teach me efficient <R,U> style blockbuilding.
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you're trying to get more <R,U>; I'm trying to get more <R,M,U,r>. that's pretty funny.
 
I think this is PB ao12 and ao5 iirc

Generated By csTimer on 2014-8-11
avg of 12: 13.33

Time List:
1. 12.13 D R2 U' F2 U' L2 F2 U F2 R2 F2 L' F' D2 R' U2 B' L' F R' D'
2. 14.14 F U2 F B2 L F D' F' U' B2 U2 L U2 F2 B2 R' L' U2 R' D2
3. 13.07 F L U' R2 D' R' F' U2 B U' D2 F2 U2 D2 F R2 F R2 L2 B2
4. 13.57 R2 F2 U2 B2 D F2 D' F2 U2 F' L' D' U2 F' R' U' F L2 F2 U'
5. (15.26) L B2 R2 B2 U2 R' B2 U2 L R F U2 F L' F2 U' B' D2 F' L
6. 13.77 F2 R2 F U2 R2 F2 L2 B F2 R2 F U' B F2 L F2 D F2 U2 B F2
7. 12.70 U' F2 U L2 D2 F2 L2 D L2 R2 U2 F D' L B R2 F D' U' L B2
8. (10.82) U2 B2 R2 U' R2 B2 D F2 L2 U' L2 F' D F D2 F2 L' D2 R U' R
9. 14.12 U2 F2 R2 U R2 B2 D B2 D U2 B2 L R' U L B' R' D' B' R2 F2
10. 12.61 L F B' L D' L' U' D' F2 L' F2 U B2 L2 U R2 L2 F2 D' F2 D2
11. 12.89 R2 B2 U L2 D L2 R2 F2 R2 U F L' D U2 B' U' F L R2 U' F2
12. 14.31 F2 U2 F2 L' U2 F2 R B2 F2 R F U' B' L2 U L' R' D' U' B2

Solves 7-11 make up a 12.73 ao5 :)

I tink I'm starting to turn faster or something, but idk.
 
What kind of color neutrality is most common among top Roux users? x2/y2/z2 seems like a logical answer to me, but I don't actually use color neutrality so I wouldn't know. What I am actually looking for is how many different possible 1x2x3 blocks top Roux users have to start with. Thanks! :)
 
elrog said:
What kind of color neutrality is most common among top Roux users? x2/y2/z2 seems like a logical answer to me, but I don't actually use color neutrality so I wouldn't know. What I am actually looking for is how many different possible 1x2x3 blocks top Roux users have to start with. Thanks! :)
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i remember rybaby made a list a while back, here it is:


I started with full color neutrality, but by around 30s I switched to x2/y neutrality (8 blocks) to aid in recognition. I think that having 4 possible starting blocks should be enough, though.
Well known users of various block options:
Fixed block: Gilles Roux?
y2 neutral: Big Green, GuRoux, Mitsuki Gunji, Neil Morales
x2/y2: Kirjava
x2/y: Alex, Waffo, Arvind
y: Arcio, Tomoya
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these, or add new ones.
 
elrog said:
What kind of color neutrality is most common among top Roux users? x2/y2/z2 seems like a logical answer to me, but I don't actually use color neutrality so I wouldn't know. What I am actually looking for is how many different possible 1x2x3 blocks top Roux users have to start with. Thanks! :)
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x2/y2/z2 is the same as x2/y2...
 
Interesting skip:

F' R' D L' F D' B U2 R F' U R2 F2 U B2 L2 U B2 D
10.43

y2 (R Lw) U' F' U // LSquare.
x U M Rw' F // Lpair.
R U Rw' U' M' Rw U R' // RSquare.
U R' U' R // RPair.
R U' L' U R' U L U L' U L // CMLL.
U M' U' M' U' M U' M' U' // EO + wtfskip

Part of a PB 12.80 ao12 ;)
 
I'm x2/y2 color neutral.


rybaby said:
Interesting skip:

F' R' D L' F D' B U2 R F' U R2 F2 U B2 L2 U B2 D
10.43

y2 (R Lw) U' F' U // LSquare.
x U M Rw' F // Lpair.
R U Rw' U' M' Rw U R' // RSquare.
U R' U' R // RPair.
R U' L' U R' U L U L' U L // CMLL.
U M' U' M' U' M U' M' U' // EO + wtfskip

Part of a PB 12.80 ao12 ;)
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Hm, I think that is pretty common among the skips in Roux. :)
 
I had a one-month break from cubing. So, I thought I would do some solves. Did an AO12 yesterday. Nothing great.

Did some 20 solves today and I broke my PB MO3, AO5 and AO12. :D :cool:


Rubik's cube
Aug 15, 2014 1:54:24 PM - 2:25:57 PM

Mean: 18.65
Average: 17.69
Best time: 13.09
Median: 17.34
Worst time: 41.44
Standard deviation: 5.82

Best average of 5: 14.82
9-13 - (13.09) 13.42 15.98 15.07 (17.42)

Best average of 12: 16.29
9-20 - (13.09) 13.42 15.98 15.07 17.42 18.87 17.25 16.82 16.53 13.95 17.62 (20.07)

1. 15.80 D2 B2 F2 D R2 D L2 D' R2 B2 D2 R' D2 L2 B' U' R' F2 R2 D L2 F'
2. 23.56 U' F2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 R2 L2 F2 U' R B D2 F' L2 D2 R2 F' R2 U'
3. 16.80 B2 U' F2 R2 F2 D L2 U F2 R2 U F' U' R D L' F' L F U' F' U'
4. 18.80 D B2 R2 D2 F2 L2 D' B2 U R2 U R F' R2 L' B F2 R B2 F2 D' L2
5. 20.84 R2 U2 L2 U' R2 D' L2 F2 U B2 U B R L2 U' L B' R' L2 D2
6. 41.44 U L2 B2 D2 F2 D L2 U' R2 B2 F2 R' U R F2 U R' B R' F D
7. 19.89 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 U' L2 U B2 U L2 F L D R' B2 R L F' R U
8. 19.78 R2 L2 D2 U F2 L2 U F2 L2 D' F L' F2 D' U' L B F U2 B' D'
9. 13.09 R2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 U L D R U B' D' B U2 R' D
10. 13.42 D2 R2 F2 D R2 B2 D' R2 B2 R2 D2 B D R2 F' L' F' R2 U2 L2 F U
11. 15.98 D L2 B2 F2 L2 B2 D R2 D U2 L2 B U2 L' B D' B2 R' D2 F
12. 15.07 U L2 D R2 F2 R2 D' B2 D2 F2 U' F D' F' L F' U2 B U R B'
13. 17.42 U F2 L2 U' L2 F2 D' R2 B2 D2 U' B L D F U2 L B2 U2 B2 R
14. 18.87 B2 F2 U2 R2 B2 U F2 U' F2 U B2 R F' R U' F L' F2 R' D'
15. 17.25 L2 F2 R2 B2 D' B2 U' R2 D2 L2 D2 F' L B2 D U2 B2 R2 U' B'
16. 16.82 U' F2 L2 D' R2 U' R2 F2 L2 B2 U B' F' U' B' R' B' U' F L2 B
17. 16.53 U' B2 U' B2 L2 D2 F2 L2 D' F2 R U' B R F2 L' B F2 R F U2
18. 13.95 U' F2 U' B2 R2 U R2 U2 F2 U' R2 F' L' B2 U B' D2 U L' B2 U'
19. 17.62 D' B2 U' L2 F2 U' R2 U2 B2 D F2 L B' L' F2 L2 D R B2
20. 20.07 U B2 D' R2 L2 D F2 D2 R2 F2 D2 F R B2 D' R L' U' R2 D2 R' U

I just can't believe that I got a sub-15 AO5. :cool:
 
Shah said:
I had a one-month break from cubing. So, I thought I would do some solves. Did an AO12 yesterday. Nothing great.

Did some 20 solves today and I broke my PB MO3, AO5 and AO12. :D :cool:


Rubik's cube
Aug 15, 2014 1:54:24 PM - 2:25:57 PM

Mean: 18.65
Average: 17.69
Best time: 13.09
Median: 17.34
Worst time: 41.44
Standard deviation: 5.82

Best average of 5: 14.82
9-13 - (13.09) 13.42 15.98 15.07 (17.42)

Best average of 12: 16.29
9-20 - (13.09) 13.42 15.98 15.07 17.42 18.87 17.25 16.82 16.53 13.95 17.62 (20.07)

1. 15.80 D2 B2 F2 D R2 D L2 D' R2 B2 D2 R' D2 L2 B' U' R' F2 R2 D L2 F'
2. 23.56 U' F2 U' F2 L2 F2 U2 R2 L2 F2 U' R B D2 F' L2 D2 R2 F' R2 U'
3. 16.80 B2 U' F2 R2 F2 D L2 U F2 R2 U F' U' R D L' F' L F U' F' U'
4. 18.80 D B2 R2 D2 F2 L2 D' B2 U R2 U R F' R2 L' B F2 R B2 F2 D' L2
5. 20.84 R2 U2 L2 U' R2 D' L2 F2 U B2 U B R L2 U' L B' R' L2 D2
6. 41.44 U L2 B2 D2 F2 D L2 U' R2 B2 F2 R' U R F2 U R' B R' F D
7. 19.89 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 U' L2 U B2 U L2 F L D R' B2 R L F' R U
8. 19.78 R2 L2 D2 U F2 L2 U F2 L2 D' F L' F2 D' U' L B F U2 B' D'
9. 13.09 R2 U' R2 L2 B2 R2 D' F2 U B2 U L D R U B' D' B U2 R' D
10. 13.42 D2 R2 F2 D R2 B2 D' R2 B2 R2 D2 B D R2 F' L' F' R2 U2 L2 F U
11. 15.98 D L2 B2 F2 L2 B2 D R2 D U2 L2 B U2 L' B D' B2 R' D2 F
12. 15.07 U L2 D R2 F2 R2 D' B2 D2 F2 U' F D' F' L F' U2 B U R B'
13. 17.42 U F2 L2 U' L2 F2 D' R2 B2 D2 U' B L D F U2 L B2 U2 B2 R
14. 18.87 B2 F2 U2 R2 B2 U F2 U' F2 U B2 R F' R U' F L' F2 R' D'
15. 17.25 L2 F2 R2 B2 D' B2 U' R2 D2 L2 D2 F' L B2 D U2 B2 R2 U' B'
16. 16.82 U' F2 L2 D' R2 U' R2 F2 L2 B2 U B' F' U' B' R' B' U' F L2 B
17. 16.53 U' B2 U' B2 L2 D2 F2 L2 D' F2 R U' B R F2 L' B F2 R F U2
18. 13.95 U' F2 U' B2 R2 U R2 U2 F2 U' R2 F' L' B2 U B' D2 U L' B2 U'
19. 17.62 D' B2 U' L2 F2 U' R2 U2 B2 D F2 L B' L' F2 L2 D R B2
20. 20.07 U B2 D' R2 L2 D F2 D2 R2 F2 D2 F R B2 D' R L' U' R2 D2 R' U

I just can't believe that I got a sub-15 AO5. :cool:
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I also break PBs when I don't cube for long periods of time.

So strange.
 
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