Possible 2011 WCA Regulations Changes

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2x2BLD won't (and shouldn't) be added because there is too much variation in solve difficulty - unlike 2x2 speedsolving, where a very easy solution might cut the time in half, a very easy 2BLD might cut the time to 1/5 of normal for all but the fastest competitors. So it will be like 2x2 single but worse - if you got an easy enough scramble, even if you might normally average 40+, you will almost certainly have a 10 or better. You could hold it as an average event too, but the single WR would still exist, and the average event would be pretty difficult for all but the best to get a result in.

 

[Kian]

There is no reason to remove any events. If an event takes too much time, just don't host it.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Olivér Perge]

There is no reason to remove any events. If an event takes too much time, just don't host it.

Except for Worlds. Since every official event has to have a world champion, adding loads of events and not removing any would end up with a week-long World Championship. I see no problem with removing something that has been official for a while. I remember 3x3x3 speedblind being official and than they removed it.

Plus if a large margin of the community votes for that to happen, than why not?

 

[Lucas Garron]

I remember 3x3x3 speedblind being official and than they removed it.

False. When it came to decide what was "official" in 2006, speed blind didn't make the cut. Before that, nothing was technically an "official event."

 

[Dene]

There is no reason to remove any events. If an event takes too much time, just don't host it.

There is plenty of reason to remove events. For example, Magic is stupid (as a puzzle). Everyone agrees. I have no idea how it remains an official event other than the fact that some bored people spent a little bit of time getting "good" at it.

 

[Olivér Perge]

There is plenty of reason to remove events. For example, Magic is stupid (as a puzzle). Everyone agrees. I have no idea how it remains an official event other than the fact that some bored people spent a little bit of time getting "good" at it.

Finally I can agree with that! Now I can't see how it became an official event other than it is a Rubik's product.

Lucas: Thanks!

 

[Radu]

As I mentioned on WCA forum too...I don't see any reason to keep:
-MasterMagic - it's plain boring and just a matter of skill. (I'd vote for Magic too, but that's an event that is easy to learn and might bring new people into cubing, but otherwise I'd remove these both. Also, as it is still a popular event, maybe it should be announced 1 year in advance, so that people get used to the idea it will be removed)
-3x3 with feet - it makes speedcubing look like circus and is a waste of time.

 

[Erik]

with feet:
- media love it, it makes cubing look like a sport where the impossible can be done. Not once have they made the association with circus, goofy or dirty. Only impressive.
- waste of time? It is quite a fast event, mostly only best of 1 or a mean of 3 for the faster guys. The only thing that needs to be done is to put the stackmat on the ground.
- its funny and gives a good laugh to watch people POP-ing or failing at PLL's, I never hear people laugh during other events...

Mastermagic: I wouldn't mind seeing it go either. Magic is indeed a nice event for beginners where newcomers have a lot of fun doing it. It's a 'ball in hat' game, mastermagic is a 'put the ball in the hat and take it' game, which doesn't add that much new to the 'ball in hat'. Still I don't have anything against keeping it either, it's a fast event.

 

[amostay2004]

I think magic is a stupid event but I'm not against it being held in competitions. I think it's kind of a warm up event in most competitions where it's the first event of the day and people are just getting used to the environment, warming up etc. Also this gives chance for people coming from far away to turn up later for their main events. And, like Erik said, it's really fast

 

[Slash]

[video...]
That fix probably took just barely under 1 second but it's close enough to prove 1 second is not a long enough penalty

ok youre right.

 

[Olivér Perge]

with feet:
- media love it, it makes cubing look like a sport where the impossible can be done. Not once have they made the association with circus, goofy or dirty. Only impressive.

I don't know what media sources you have but all I heard from media is that feet solving is a joke. That is the only and good reason for them to ridcule us. It is a typical Guinnes World Record event where they keep records of people eating M&M with straws or something like that.

In my opinion feet is not serious enough and it did not develop to a serious event here too. It has been here for 6 years and yet only 248 person competed in it out of the raughly 11000. Of course you can say that 4x4x4 blind and 5x5x5 blind has even fewer competitor, but they are much more harder than just solving a cube with less than 1 tps in average.

Not to mention the growing hygenic problem, which makes it even more harder to organize. (Ron has 4 stack mats just for feet.)

I think one-handed is the perfect dexterity event, I would not mind removing feet.

Even Anssi said at his World Champion video: Don't take this too seriously!

- its funny and gives a good laugh to watch people POP-ing or failing at PLL's, I never hear people laugh during other events...

There is a difference between laughing with you and laughing at you.

 

[Pedro]

The media over here simply loves feet cubing. Rafael Cinoto has been in a lot of TV shows only because he can do the cube with his feet (in less than a minute, so it doesn't take too much tv time, but still...).

But it has just a few people doing it and I wouldn't really mind removing it. Sometimes it takes up to half an hour for 2 or 3 people to compete.

 

[Erik]

Olivér, do you want me to name all media that interviewed or wrote about me being involved in feet-solving and thought it was impressive (100%)? Or shall I expand to the others as well... -.-

And about POP-ing: I laughed at myself too
I agree that it isn't very popular, that would actually be the only big reason that I have. Like you said fairly: 4 and 5 BLD has less competitors. The fact that those are more difficult explains why it is less, but does not change the fact that indeed those two events are less popular.

 

[Stefan]

Since every official event has to have a world champion, adding loads of events and not removing any would end up with a week-long World Championship

Awesome!

-MasterMagic - it's plain boring and just a matter of skill.

Uh... what?! So are *all* events.

 

[MAHTI-ANSSI]

If feet stays official the format should be changed to average of 5. The WRs are faster than 5x5 and Megaminx for example and I don't think POPs are funny when they can ruin a mean so easily.

 

[masterofthebass]

If feet stays official the format should be changed to average of 5. The WRs are faster than 5x5 and Megaminx for example and I don't think POPs are funny when they can ruin a mean so easily.

The WR time is not the issue. If you look at the top 30 feet and the top 30 5x5, you can see that even relatively high ranked people at feet are getting slower and slower. The average solving time for a random person doing feet is way higher than that of 5x5. Combine that with the fact that a lot of competitions don't even hold mean of 3, I really don't see a reason for this.

 

[blakedacuber]

keep magic for 2 rasons its an easy event for new comers
and like some have said it is a warm event and is useful for people who have to travel incase they are late(hapened to me )

 

[Sebastien]

Where is it mentioned that displays are something within the regulations? I pointed it out as an inefficiency during most competitions. Don't you like the suggestion?

I think 6d is not clear enough about the certificates since you and me read the regulation and both understood something different, and reading the other reactions we are not the only ones. Besides this... again: don't you like this as a suggestion?

I'm not questionning the suggestion, I'm just questionning why it is made in a thread called "Possible 2011 WCA Regulations Changes", because this basically doesnt make any sense.

I have no problems with the current displays and batteries. Of course I would prefer cheaper versions, but I cannot see how anyone of us would be able to realise that. Also I prefer the batteries to having cables all over the stages.

6d isn't unclear in my opinion. It simply says that organizers "should" give certificates as awards. "Should" is well defined in the WCA regulations, because at the start of the document it states:


RFC 2119 states:


So certificates are "recommended" but they are not required.

Thank you.

If feet stays official the format should be changed to average of 5. The WRs are faster than 5x5 and Megaminx for example and I don't think POPs are funny when they can ruin a mean so easily.

I support this 100%. We had exactly the same reasonning for Megaminx last year.

There is no reason to remove any events. If an event takes too much time, just don't host it.

Totally true.

 

[Henrik]

Olivér, do you want me to name all media that interviewed or wrote about me being involved in feet-solving and thought it was impressive (100%)? Or shall I expand to the others as well... -.-

And about POP-ing: I laughed at myself too
I agree that it isn't very popular, that would actually be the only big reason that I have. Like you said fairly: 4 and 5 BLD has less competitors. The fact that those are more difficult explains why it is less, but does not change the fact that indeed those two events are less popular.

I would like to keep feet.
It gives a break in competitions for relaxation for other competitors, also something to look at and maybe laugh about.
It eases the sometimes tense mood and concentration from others.

I like to watch feet, and as I recall and see, feet might even have the 2nd most audience after 3x3 finals.

 

[Stefan]

If you look at the top 30 feet and the top 30 5x5

Do you find it fair to compare the top 1.4% of one event with the top 12.1% of another?

Edit: 1,000,000,000,000th post, woot.