Memory Methods

The reason I suggested it is that I do it that way. But I've only started practicing using journey for corners so that's what's really slowing me down right now. One pass edges is so easy using the auditory method.

Mike: There's no real reason why you should have to change what you do for 5x5. It's a different puzzle and you probably need to optimize your methods for solving it differently than you would 3x3. I'm sure with practice it wouldn't cause any problems, but then again who am I to say?

EDIT: I forgot to mention how much easier it is to solve parity M2 style if you solve edges first as well. Just do U' F2 U M2 U' F2 U in between and then solve your last corner Old Pochmann style. (No R perms!)
 
ok,I am pretty new and inexperienced to blindfold cubing,just wanted to clear sum doubts....i recently learned pochmann method from joel van noort's site and i see dat memorisin edges is a tough job,so what is the most common way of memorising edges which most speedcubers do.

and...r there any other blindfold methods where we hav to memorise less.i know m sounding stupid...so pl fogive me.
 
I have been having problems with memo. since a long time. I tried the story method. It works good if you want to do one solve per day. Then went to the journey method the association of each peice with its landmark take a long time. In the phonetic method there also the same problem and so with the PAO and other similar systems. Basically I am a very lazy guy. This has been a problem for me. So I tried experimenting and today I thought of an interesting thing (atleast I found it great). When you keep your hand on the 3x3x3 covering each peice with one finger. So you can use the fingers and make a path between them. Or maybe make them do nasty things to each other. I tried it and it seems to be working out nicely. You can extend this to bigger cubes. Just need other parts of your body. I like to call it the postmortem method. :)

It is very much like the journey system but with an inbuilt list :P
 
Anyone use a method where you link audio with destinations? I listen to CubeCast everyday while doing my Paper Route, whenever I hear Thom or Andrew say something, I flash back to the part of my route I was on where I've heard it before.
 
I thought about that the other day! I wonder if linking images with parts of a song would work well. I don't think it would be good for something smaller like 3BLD, but I can imagine 4 or 5BLD could benefit from something like this.
 
Chrish said:
I memo visually, and am currently learning M2. My concern at the moment is I don't know when I need to use (for example) the RF setup move instead of the FR setup move. Could anyone offer me a suggestion?
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I had this problem, i'll explain via old pochmann style but you should be able to adapt
do this on a solved cube (yellow top orange front), L' , tperm, L
notice how the orange sticker is in the buffer position, look at how hte orange is on top, you need to look at the green/orange side now, since orange is the color sticker in the buffer position, you need to make whatever sticker is in the orange side of orange/green, on top ready for hte swap,

So since orange is in hte ubffer, setup in this is as easy as L' tperm, L

you're swapping stickers, not peices, think of it as that, I hope that helped
 
@Chrish I suggest that you take the time to watch (and understand) badmephisto's blindfold solving video where he describes the swapping of stickers (just reiterating what Ryan said above). This is nicely backed up with Joël van Noort's tutorial on old Pochmann (linked from video)
 
Ah, didn't notice anyone responded, I deleted my post and didn't look back. I kind of figured out part of my problem but ran into something else. I'll look at the video when I have time later today, thanks both of you for the responds :)
 
When I made my first post, I just didn't know which setup move to use to permute the piece in the buffer spot. With experimentation, it was rather easy to figure that out. But now I'm another block, one that I couldn't wrap my head around (I watched Badmephisto's video, and his memo part several times, and another video or two by other people).

I know what setup move to use to permute the buffer, but I don't know how to memorize what orientation the next piece is going to be, much less the next ~10 pieces.

So as I previously mentioned, I memo visually. But I concluded since there are 2 possible orientations I have to deal with, learning the story method would be beneficial. So I wrote all the possible edge sticker-combinations and assigned each a word. So this is all fine and dandy, but I don't know how to use this to help me.

Could someone share how they use the letter combinations to give them all the info they need to solve it?

For example;

Say the BR piece is in the buffer spot; then after doing the proper swap, I have to swap the UR piece. I don't know if I think ''BR UR'', ''RB UR'', ''BR RU'' or ''RB RU'' I just need help understanding how to use those letters the way they're intended to be used.
 
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Chrish said:
I know what setup move to use to permute the buffer, but I don't know how to memorize what orientation the next piece is going to be, much less the next ~10 pieces.
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I'm assuming you're performing edges with Old Pochmann.

You must use the setup move that will orient the piece correctly: you will want to devise a setup move for each orientation so that the sticker you want to swap will be in the target position.
 
I am horrible when it comes to placing multiple pairs in one location. I can usually manage if the location is large, but I usually can't fit more than one pair in a small location (drawer, cupboard etc). I would like to become fluent with this as it will make the memorising and recalling phase easier.
I was also wondering what people do when it comes to ordering images in the one location, so you know which order do execute the pairs in. Thanks.
 
Zane_C said:
I am horrible when it comes to placing multiple pairs in one location. I can usually manage if the location is large, but I usually can't fit more than one pair in a small location (drawer, cupboard etc).
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You have to scale them down (or just treat them as toys). A table and a ship fit perfectly on a piece of paper.

Zane_C said:
I was also wondering what people do when it comes to ordering images in the one location, so you know which order do execute the pairs in. Thanks.
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They either use something like Person-Verb-Object/Person-Verb or build mini stories in which they use some kind of convention to remember the order (e.g. the second image is always the one on top).
 
AvGalen said:
I only just started learning blindfolded (2x2x2 and 3x3x3 only, sofar) using Macky's guide and adjusted numbering and algs to my style.

For orientation I LEARNED numbers, but I convert them to shapes automatically in my head. Untill I read this post, I didn't know this was called shapes. Also, I don't limit this to triangles
For corner-permutation, I try to group numbers so they are easier to remember. 1 3 2 4 becomes 13 24 becomes "unlucky 4!"
For edge-permutation, I use a story based on numbers.

If I use the first scramble of 2007-08 competition (B F R' D2 B F R' U' L' R' B2 F L R D2 U' R2 D U' R' F2 L2 D' U2 F), memory becomes this

(I scramble with white on top, green on front. I solve with yellow on top, red in front)

Edge orientation: UL, UR, RF, RB, DL, DF, DR and DB need to be flipped.
Remember as T-shape and entire bottom.

Corner orientation: UFR, UFB, DFL, DFR have to be turned counter clockwise (backwards), DRB has to be turned clockwise (forwards).
Remember as "Right-bottom back forwards" (so naturally the other piece has to go backwards). All other pieces of the front-right faces, except the first (UFL=1 for me) have to go backwards.

Corner permutation: 12345678 = ULF, URF, URB, ULB, DLF, DRF, DRB, DLB. 2->5->3->7->8->4->6.
Remember as 25 37 846. Easy to remember 5^2, 6^2+1, second highest even number possible

Edge permutation: 123456789101112 = UF, UR, RB, RL, LF, RF, RB, LB, DF, DR, DB, DL = 1->10->5->6->9->2->8->7->3->12(->1), 4->11(->4).
Remember as a Dutch scoring system. 1=lowest, 10=highest, 5=just not good enough, 6=just good enough. This is the story I made:
I got one 10 which was perfect (1->10)
But then I got mediocre and had to work my way up to perfection again (5->6->9)
I went from the lowest limits to the highest and back again (2->8->7->3)
Untill it ended (12)
Then all I had to do was switch the last remaining two (4->11)

Reading this back, I think I am very creative with numbers :)
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I dont even know how to solve a 2x2 blindfolded, but whats up with this memorizing methods? Is it not easier to just use full EG?
 
I use 2 letters (2 images) per location, and whta I like to do is have the image that comes first in my memo to be the dominant character. Aka if it's killing someone, I'll have, for example, Hitler smashing in Magikarps head with my dresser drawer etc etc, or if it's sexual, I'll have the image that' supposed to be first take charge.
 
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