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What is the hardest math you learned?

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Anyone into prime numbers and big numbers in general? Looking for primes (6^n + 1) I found out that 6^100352 + 1 may be a prime. Primality tests for a number like this take a lot of time. Any ideas to reduce the calculating time? Rather than calculating 6^100352 + 1, I thought of changing it into this: (((((6^2)^2)^2)...)^2) + 1.
Unless you can find a theorem designed to make it easier to prove the primality of numbers of that form, all I can suggest is to plug it into Mathematica. It's pretty fast.
 
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set up a proportion. notice how the largest rectangle (the entire figure) is repeated inside of itself. let p be x/phi. the largest square has length 1, the second-largest phi-1, and the third-largest 1-(phi-1) = 2-phi. the largest rectangle has length (in the x direction) phi and its smaller repeat has length phi - 1 - (2-phi) = 2*phi - 3. Then, we pinpoint x: x = p*phi = 1 + p(2*phi - 3), and solve for p and thus x. repeat to solve for y.
 
I'm having trouble with optimization questions where I have to inscribe an object inside another. Hopefully, if someone could solve this for me, I can do the other ones.
Determine the area of the largest rectangle that can be inscribed inside a semicircle with a radius of 10 units. Place the length of the rectangle along the diameter.

"100 square units when 5√2"

l^2+h^2=10^2
h=sqrt(100-l^2)
A=2lh
=2l*sqrt(100-l^2)
A'=(-4 (-50 + x^2))/Sqrt[100 - x^2]
solve for 0
l=5*sqrt(2)
rectangle is 10sqrt2 * 5sqrt2

or

its a square
45° from corners
10sin 45° = 5sqrt2
 
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Here is my version of the proof that \( \sum_{i=0}^{n}i^2=\frac{1}{6}n(n+1)(2n+1) \) that I came up with earlier.



Start by writing out a few terms, then the differences, and continue until the nth differences are the same:

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2, 2, 2 are the third differences, which means that the polynomial which generates the original terms is a cubic equation in the form \( an^3+bn^2+cn+d \)

Because there are 4 variables, a, b, c and d, we will need 4 equations to find the value of each of them.

When n = 1, we want the equation to equal 1 (the first term), therefore \( a(1)^3+b(1)^2+c(1)+d=a+b+c+d=1 \), so the first equation is \( a+b+c+d=1 \).

When n = 2, the equation must equal 5, so \( a(2)^3+b(2)^2+c(2)+d=8a+4b+2c+d=5 \).

When n = 3, the equation must equal 14, so \( a(3)^3+b(3)^2+c(3)+d=27a+9b+3c+d=14 \).

When n = 4, the equation must equal 30, so \( a(4)^3+b(4)^2+c(4)+d=64a+16b+4c+d=30 \).

So now we have 4 equations to work with:

1. \( a+b+c+d=1 \)
2. \( 8a+4b+2c+d=5 \)
3. \( 27a+9b+3c+d=14 \)
4. \( 64a+16b+4c+d=30 \)

Let's work with equations 1 and 2 first. Rearrange equation 1 to make d the subject, \( d=1-a-b-c \), and substitute it into equation 2, \( 8a+4b+2c+1-a-b-c=5 \), simplify and get \( 7a+3b+c=4 \). This is the first equation with only 3 variables.

Now work with equations 2 and 3. Rearrange equation 2 to make d the subject, \( d=5-8a-4b-2c \), and substitute it into equation 3, \( 27a+9b+3c+5-8a-4b-2c=14 \), simplify and get \( 19a+5b+c=9 \).

Now work with equations 3 and 4. Rearrange equation 3 to make d the subject, \( d=14-27a-9b-3c \), substitute into equation 4, \( 64a+16b+4c+14-27a-9b-3c=30 \), simplify to get, \( 37a+7b+c=16 \)

Now we have 3 equations with 3 variables:

1. \( 7a+3b+c=4 \)
2. \( 19a+5b+c=9 \)
3. \( 37a+7b+c=16 \)

Work with equations 1 and 2. Rearrange 1 to make c the subject, \( c=4-7a-3b \), substitute into 2, \( 19a+5b+4-7a-3b=9 \), simplify, \( 12a+2b=5 \) to get the first equation with only 2 variables.

Now use equations 2 and 3. Rearrange 2 to make c the subject, \( c=9-19a-5b \), substitute into 3, \( 37a+7b+9-19a-5b=16 \), simplify, \( 18a+2b=7 \).

Now we have 2 equations with 2 variables:

1. \( 12a+2b=5 \)
2. \( 18a+2b=7 \)

Rearrange equation 1 to make b the subject. Actually in this case, both equations contain the term 2b, so we can just rearrange to make 2b the subject. \( 2b=5-12a \), substitute into 2, \( 18a+5-12a=7 \), simplify, \( 6a+5=7 \), solve for a, \( 6a=2 \), \( a=\frac{1}{3} \).

Now that we know the value of one of the variables, we can substitute this value into equation 1 containing 2 variables, \( 12(\frac{1}{3})+2b=5 \), \( 4+2b=5 \), \( 2b=1 \), \( b=\frac{1}{2} \).

Now that 2 variables are known, substitute both values into equation 1 containing 3 variables, \( 7(\frac{1}{3})+3(\frac{1}{2})+c=4 \), \( \frac{7}{3}+\frac{3}{2}+c=4 \), \( c=4-\frac{7}{3}-\frac{3}{2} \), \( c=\frac{1}{6} \).

Finally, substitute all 3 values into equation 1 containing 4 variables. \( \frac{1}{3}+\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{6}+d=1 \), \( d=1-\frac{1}{3}-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{6} \), \( d=0 \).

All variables are now known, so the final equation is:

\( \frac{n^3}{3}+\frac{n^2}{2}+\frac{n}{6} \)
\( \frac{1}{6}(2n^3+3n^2+n) \)
\( \frac{1}{6}n(2n^2+3n+1) \)
\( \frac{1}{6}n(n+1)(2n+1) \)

Therefore \( \sum_{i=0}^{n}i^2=\frac{1}{6}n(n+1)(2n+1) \)

Q.E.D.
 
Completely kind of off topic but didnt wanna start a new thread... I was doing an integration question and have subbed the limits and this is what i have ... [ ((8/3)^(3/2)) + 1 ] - [ ((2/3)^(3/2)) + 1] its probably really simple but how do i solve from here? A step by step would help thanks :) also the answer should work out to be 20/3
 

I thought of the spiral parametrically.

x point converges to:
\( \phi-\frac{1}{\phi}+\frac{1}{\phi^3}-\frac{1}{\phi^5}+\frac{1}{\phi^7}-\ldots \)

This converges to:
\( \frac{1+2\phi}{2+\phi} \)

The y point converges to:
\( \frac{1}{\phi^2}-\frac{1}{\phi^4}+\frac{1}{\phi^6}-\ldots \)

This converges to:
\( \frac{1}{2+\phi} \)

So the spiral is converging toward the point:
\( \left(\frac{1+2\phi}{2+\phi} , \frac{1}{2+\phi} \right) \)
 
Not math but I hope someone can help, just working on the synthesis of Hexaphenylbenzene for a chemistry lab, and I was just wondering if this mechanism seems reasonable?

**I really wasn't sure about the E1CB OH elimination **

PS: Ignore the names of the products they are a joke for my teacher



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integrate ( x^(1/2) + 1/x^(1/2) ) dx with the limits 4 and 1
 
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Not math but I hope someone can help, just working on the synthesis of Hexaphenylbenzene for a chemistry lab, and I was just wondering if this mechanism seems reasonable?

**I really wasn't sure about the E1CB OH elimination **

PS: Ignore the names of the products they are a joke for my teacher



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Thanks:D
 
Just got this question in my discrete math class homework lol.

When one disassembles a standard 3X3X3 Rubik's Cube one discovers that it is just a fixed
3D cross connecting the center squares, and a bunch of edge and corner pieces that move
around the stationary cross. Consider the state diagram for the conguration space of all
assembled cubes, that is one state for each and every possible way of putting the cube back
together. In order not to count a state multiple times (eg placing it upside down) we will x
the orientation of the center squares (ie the red center square will always be up and the blue
center square will always be to the right).
(a) Write down an expression for the number of nodes/states of this diagram, explaining the
reasoning for each term. How many decimal digits does this number have? Is it feasible
to keep track of all the nodes?
(b) Consider all of the obvious legal (without disassembly) basic minimal moves/actions/edges
for going from one assembled state to another (while preserving our fixed orientation of
the center squares). What are these moves? How many arrows/edges are there leading
out of each node? and how many are leading in? [Note: the diagram is not connected
since one can assemble unsolvable cubes.]
(c) For these actions how many times does one have to repeat such an action to get back to
the original state?

Edit: Text didn't paste perfectly and might be some words missing but I thought it was cool I got a rubiks cube question.
 
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From http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?26461-Mathematics-marathon&p=721993#post721993:

Anybody know how to prove det(AB) = det(A)*det(B) using only the permutation definition of the determinant function? Completely forgotten how to type in math here, otherwise I would type out the definition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_formula_for_determinants

(I am aware that this is a terrible way to prove this and that there are much much nicer ways.)
 
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