Help with Cross (CFOP)

[NeutrisicAcid]

I'm in need in some help with cross as a lot of my time comes from cross. I'd say around 15 seconds which is what i average for cross.

Im going to say the things I have done already below

cross on bottom
move the cross, not the piece
3 move insert

im just going to use example solves and this was what i got because i have no other idea how to practice other than do more.

please do correct on what i can do better.

(i deleted the message shown in the image which was in another thread because i posted it in the wrong thread)

 

[randomness...]

hope this helps
heres a better way with a little explanation to each set of moves, if you want more help you can PM me
(i updated the link for a normal color scheme!)

 

[xyzzy]

I thought I was being dumb when I couldn't find any white cross solution shorter than 7 moves, and it turns out 7 is optimal for white cross. (7 moves for white and green, 6 moves for yellow and orange, 5 moves for red and blue.)

scramble: D' L R2 B R2 B D2 R2 B' D2 L2 B' U' R F2 R' U2 L' B D

x2 y // yellow top, red front
R' (F B') L // orange, blue
D' F R // fill in the other two


Another cross solution:

z2 // yellow top, green front
// idea: L2 to solve red, R' F to solve green
R' L' F L' // split up the L2 and do the F in between
// solving orange and blue left as exercise for reader

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Your difficulty in planning cross likely stems from inefficiency. The more moves you make, the harder it'll be to track the remaining pieces across those moves. This scramble doesn't have a short white cross, but a few pieces are already in the right positions to be inserted.

Start small and move your way up. Can't plan 4 cross pieces at once? Try planning 1-2. That should be easy. When you're comfortable with that, move on to 3. Then move on to 4 eventually.

With two pieces planned, you should be able to execute that in 1 second. For the remaining two cross pieces, you should be able to find the piece (let's say, in 2 seconds) and then immediately know and execute the solution (in 1 more second) each, so overall your cross shouldn't be taking more than 7 seconds.

 

[NeutrisicAcid]

I thought I was being dumb when I couldn't find any white cross solution shorter than 7 moves, and it turns out 7 is optimal for white cross. (7 moves for white and green, 6 moves for yellow and orange, 5 moves for red and blue.)

scramble: D' L R2 B R2 B D2 R2 B' D2 L2 B' U' R F2 R' U2 L' B D

x2 y // yellow top, red front
R' (F B') L // orange, blue
D' F R // fill in the other two


Another cross solution:

z2 // yellow top, green front
// idea: L2 to solve red, R' F to solve green
R' L' F L' // split up the L2 and do the F in between
// solving orange and blue left as exercise for reader

---

Your difficulty in planning cross likely stems from inefficiency. The more moves you make, the harder it'll be to track the remaining pieces across those moves. This scramble doesn't have a short white cross, but a few pieces are already in the right positions to be inserted.

Start small and move your way up. Can't plan 4 cross pieces at once? Try planning 1-2. That should be easy. When you're comfortable with that, move on to 3. Then move on to 4 eventually.

With two pieces planned, you should be able to execute that in 1 second. For the remaining two cross pieces, you should be able to find the piece (let's say, in 2 seconds) and then immediately know and execute the solution (in 1 more second) each, so overall your cross shouldn't be taking more than 7 seconds.

so how do you be more efficient as it is really hard for me to plan out cross.

 

[NeutrisicAcid]

do you mean by less moves
currently i am having trouble planning after 2 pieces because they go everywhere

what i try to do is after planning i just close my eyes and do it quickly.

 

[NeutrisicAcid]

so i practice by planning 2 pieces, dont care about others

 

[randomness...]

start by planning 2, and slowly start adding pieces
planning atleast 2 cross pieces and execute Blindfolded, you will slowly progress