[Unofficial] Haiyan Zhuang 3x3 BLD 30.47

[TimMc]

Why do we add the time it takes for them to memo?

Please. Feel free to elaborate and tell us what you think currently constitutes a Rubik's Cube blindfolded solve. *gets popcorn*

Tim.

 

[Godmil]

So essentially, everything goes as normal, but at the end of the solve 15 seconds are removed from your final time? Genius.

:fp

Alternatively, you're saying mid memo people should be stopping to put the cube down and start the timer. While listening out for the judge calling the inspection time... and trying to get it so that they can get as close to the 15 seconds before stating the timer as possible to maximise their memo time.

 

[Olivér Perge]

Haiyan memoed in less than 15 seconds (~11, actually), and then started his solve. A normal 3x3 speedsolve gets a 15 second inspection time, where it doesn't count towards the solve. If this was using the 15 second inspection time that is usually available to normal solves, his times, along with a few other people, would be even shorter.

Even shorter than what? I fail to see your explanation...

 

[Nestor]

He's a beast! Too bad this was on CCA.

 

[TimMc]

He's a beast! Too bad this was on CCA.

It's still a great achievement nonetheless. Some people still respect Guinness World Records too.

Tim.

 

[Yes We Can!]

Heh..Haiyan using Guhong =p

Nice that we can still see vids of him though..they're always inspiring

I think he uses a lingyun (at least it sounds like one).

 

[amostay2004]

I think he uses a lingyun (at least it sounds like one).

Ah..what I usually do is *see it's not A-V, concludes it's GuHong* =p
Anyway the point is he's not using his favourite Haiyan Memory...heh

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Please. Feel free to elaborate and tell us what you think currently constitutes a Rubik's Cube blindfolded solve.

Isn't it obvious that the memo time is added?

Even shorter than what? I fail to see your explanation...

His solve was 30.47. If they didn't add the ~11 second memo time, his time would be lower.
How hard is this to understand? Was this also not obvious?

Alternatively, you're saying mid memo people should be stopping to put the cube down and start the timer. While listening out for the judge calling the inspection time... and trying to get it so that they can get as close to the 15 seconds before stating the timer as possible to maximise their memo time.

No, I never said that.
But, I like how you make things up.

 

[Godmil]

No, I never said that.
But, I like how you make things up.

You're right, I missed your description and tried to interpret how I thought it would work in practice. So you're saying: 15 second inspection time, then the time taken to memo over 15 seconds is added to the solve? So how exactly is the memo time measured, do they start the timer before the memo then deduct 15s at the end, or does the Judge time the memo and stop when the solve/timer starts (which of course adds a huge error margin).

Cube discussion: It does sound more like a Lingyun than a Guhong, and it looks like them too... but isn't that a little unlikely, I thought Haiyan had a stake in the Alpha line. Is there a chance that this is a prototype Alpha?

 

[ElectricDoodie]

You're right, I missed your description and tried to interpret how I thought it would work in practice. So you're saying: 15 second inspection time.... but a 5 second penalty for someone who takes longer than 15 seconds. When exactly do people start the timer, and what is the difference in procedure between someone who takes 16 seconds to memo and someone who takes 30 seconds? I may have not thought this through, but I'm pretty certain you haven't either

No, not a 5 second penalty. I said 5 seconds, on a 20 second memo, because that's 5 seconds over 15. If they take 1 minute to memo, that would be 45 seconds, to remove the 15 second of normal inspection time that normal solves get.

But, I'm not trying to suggest this. This was just something I thought of, and put it in my post, to try to make others understand what I mean.
I actually was just asking the question, to know the actual why of it. I'm not asking to change it, or suggesting something different, or saying it's a stupid idea originally. I'm just legitimately wondering this question, and decided to ask it here.

 

[Godmil]

hehehe, yeah I misread your description again! I tried to edit it before anyone noticed but wasn't quick enough

 

[ElectricDoodie]

hehehe, yeah I misread your description again! I tried to edit it before anyone noticed but wasn't quick enough

Now that I've read your latest post, it makes sense why the need to add memo time. It pretty much eliminates almost all margin of error.
Thanks for that.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Haiyan is the only one that has supposedly memoed it in under 15 seconds?
That's cool.

I hope everyone realizes this is not even close to true. Lots of people have successfully done memorization in under 15 seconds.

Unfortunately, I'm still not one of them.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

I hope everyone realizes this is not even close to true. Lots of people have successfully done memorization in under 15 seconds.

Unfortunately, I'm still not one of them.

Thanks for the clarification. The only reason I was wondering, was because Oliver was surprised at what I said about other people being able to do it, then asked me to name them. So, I was wondering if what I had heard had been a lie.

Please, tell me the exceptions!

 

[Olivér Perge]

His solve was 30.47. If they didn't add the ~11 second memo time, his time would be lower.
How hard is this to understand? Was this also not obvious?

Wow. Thank you for telling me that 30.47 - 11 < 30.47! You said: If this was using the 15 second inspection time that is usually available to normal solves, his times, along with a few other people, would be even shorter.

And than I asked: Who is that few people? If we cut 15 seconds from a 2:34 solve, it will not become shorter? Or we should just cut 15 seconds from solves where memo is done in 15 seconds?

And once again: Why even shorter? It gets shorter by removing 15 seconds, that's ok, but how does it get even shorter?

And finally once again: I fail to understand your imaginary system, please explain it in more details! (Even though it makes no sense at all...)

For the record: I know there are a lot of people with sub15 memo, no need to refresh my mind on that.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Wow. Thank you for telling me that 30.47 - 11 < 30.47! You said: If this was using the 15 second inspection time that is usually available to normal solves, his times, along with a few other people, would be even shorter.

And than I asked: Who is that few people? If we cut 15 seconds from a 2:34 solve, it will not become shorter? Or we should just cut 15 seconds from solves where memo is done in 15 seconds?

Re-read my conversation with Godmil. I explain the 15 seconds, there.

And once again: Why even shorter? It gets shorter by removing 15 seconds, that's ok, but how does it get even shorter?

Because fast BLD already have a short time, as a whole. By removing the inspection time, they would be reducing their time by the memo time, meaning they would have even faster time than usual. Someone who takes 11 secs to memo will have a bigger advantage by removing the 15 second memo, then if they took 5 minutes to memo. Like I said, I already explained this to Godmil.

And finally once again: I fail to understand your imaginary system, please explain it in more details! (Even though it makes no sense at all...)

As I've already told Godmil, I don't have a system. In fact, I have no idea where you came up with this idea that I have a system. Nice imagination, there.
Re-read my posts, and you'll see.

 

[TimMc]

@ElectricDoodie: Given that you asked a question about why a 15 second inspection time was not provided for the blindfolded event in a thread about Zhuang Haiyan setting a 30.47 second WR at a CCA competition, it would be more appropriate to discuss the regulations with the CCA as opposed to discussing it with everyone else.

If you're just hijacking this thread about Zhuang Haiyan with a genuine question about a WCA regulation (which is totally unrelated to this video) then it would be more appropriate to post on the official WCA forum to get feedback from WCA board members, delegates, and other contributors.

Tim.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

@ElectricDoodie: Given that you asked a question about why a 15 second inspection time was not provided for the blindfolded event in a thread about Zhuang Haiyan setting a 30.47 second WR at a CCA competition, it would be more appropriate to discuss the regulations with the CCA as opposed to discussing it with everyone else.

If you're just hijacking this thread about Zhuang Haiyan with a genuine question about a WCA regulation (which is totally unrelated to this video) then it would be more appropriate to post on the official WCA forum to get feedback from WCA board members, delegates, and other contributors.

Tim.

I was never trying to start a discussion, but more so asking why. Nor was I trying to hijack the thread, with just 1 question.
But, you're right, I should've made a thread about it.

 

[Radu]

@ElectricDoodie: Given that you asked a question about why a 15 second inspection time was not provided for the blindfolded event in a thread about Zhuang Haiyan setting a 30.47 second WR at a CCA competition, it would be more appropriate to discuss the regulations with the CCA as opposed to discussing it with everyone else.

A WR cannot be set in a CCA competition.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Man you guys are so quick to argue. Sometimes it gets rather annoying to read. I have thought many times "Wow, if only those fast bld solvers were allowed 15s inspection time, we'd have sub20 BLD WR's..." I don't see what's wrong with letting him have that thought externally instead of just internally. Instead, you choose to take his post very literally and argue it, like you have something to gain from it. I understand that you probably have had that same thought before, and might even be annoyed with the way he worded his post, but let it go already.

I hope everyone realizes this is not even close to true. Lots of people have successfully done memorization in under 15 seconds.

Unfortunately, I'm still not one of them.

Oh but you are definitely fast with your memo Mike!