kinch2002
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Linky please? If I go to Enschede (which I probably will if I have enough time off work), then I would actually have to think about learning stuff for FMC
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guusrs
Veteran
No no, I'm learning some 11-move algs, not all!
Special cases like R' B L2 F L' . F . L F' L2 B' R (U2) (-;
And I cannot perform all 10-move algs for linear solves, I recognize them as an 10-move alg and often I need and extra cube to figure out which side to start, and for mirror and inverse cases.
irontwig
Veteran
o=Common OLL alg
p=PLL
3=3-cycle comm
3*=somewhat weird 3-cycle
*=other useful algs
R U B U' B' R' o
R U R' U R U2 R' o
R U' L' U R' U' L 3
R B L' B L B2 R' o
R U B' R B R' U' R' o
R U R2 F R F2 U F *
R U R' U' R' F R F' o
R U R' F' L' U' L F *
R U2 R' U2 R' F R F'
R B R' F R B' R' F' 3
R U B' U' R' U R B R' o
R U2 R D R' U2 R D' R2 3
R U2 R D L' B2 L D' R2 *
R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R o
R U2 R2 F R F' R U2 R'
R D2 L2 F U2 L2 D2 B R 3*
R F' U2 F U2 F R2 F' R o (R B' R2 F R2 B R2 F' R)
R B2 R F2 R' B2 R F2 R2 3
R B2 L2 D L D' L B2 R'
R B' R F2 R' B R F2 R2 3p
R B' R B2 L' B L B2 R2
R2 U F B' R2 F' B U R2 3o
R2 F2 B2 L2 D R2 F2 B2 L2 p ([Ra:U2][F'a:U2])
R U B U2 B' U B U B' R'
R U B U2 B' U R' F' U F
R U B U2 B' U' B U B' R'
R U B U2 B' U' R' F' U F
R U B U2 B' R' U' F' U2 F
R U B U' B L' B' L B' R'
R U B U' B' U B U' B' R'
R U B U' R' F R B' R' F'
R U B U' L U' L' U B' R'
R U B U' L B' R' B L' B'
R U B2 D B' U' B D' B2 R'
R U B' U2 B2 U B2 U B R'
R U B' U' B R' U' B' U2 B
R U B' R B R' B U' B' R'
R U R2 F' U' F U R2 U2 R'
R U R' U' B' R' F R F' B
R U R' U' R' L F R F' L' 3 [F R' F',M']
R U R' F D B' R' B D' F'
R U R' F2 D' B L' B' D F2
R U R' F2 B D' L' D F2 B'
R U R' B' R B U' B' R' B
R U L B L' U' L B' R' L'
R U2 F' U2 F R2 B' R2 B R'
R U2 R F2 L F L' F2 R2 F'
R U2 R2 F R F L F L' F
R U2 R' U2 B' R' F R F' B
R U2 R' U2 L' U R U' R' L
R U2 R' F2 L' B L' B' L2 F2
R U2 R' B' U R U R' U' B
R U' F2 D2 L B2 D L' D F2
R U' F' L' U L F R U' R2
R U' B L U L' B2 R B R2 p
R U' R' U2 R L U' R' U L' *
R U' L U L2 D' B2 D R' L
R U' L' U R' U2 B' U B L
R U' L' B2 U' B2 U B2 R' L
R F' U' L' U F R' F' L F
R B U B2 U' R' U R B R'
R B U B' R' U' R' F R F'
R B R' U L U' R L' B' R'
R B R' F R B2 R B R2 F'
R B2 D2 F L F' D2 B R' B *
R B2 R2 U L U' R2 L' B2 R'
R B' U2 B R' B' R U2 R' B 3*
R B' R B R2 U2 F R' F' R
R L2 D' B' D B L B' R' L
R2 U R2 D' F2 L2 U' L2 D F2 p
R2 D R D' R F2 L' U L F2 p
R2 F2 R' U B U' B' R F2 R2
R2 F2 L D' F' D F L' F2 R2
From a computer generated list I got from Teemu, so some of them can be a little odd execution wise (like the 6 mover).
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
okayama
Veteran
See also his post with 10-move alg and up to 9-move.
And some tips:
While I was investigating these LLs up to 9-move, I noticed you don't have to memorise all algos, like 3-cycles and common OLL/PLLs. If you skip them, it becomes relatively easy to memorise all 6- to 9-move LLs.
Less well-known:
R U R' U' R' F R F' is a pair 3-cycle.
Lw F R' F' Lw' F R F'.
R B' R B2 L' B L B2 R2 is a pair 3-cycle with R conjugate (Fat A-perm).
R (B' R Fw2 R' B R Fw2 R') R'. So you don't have to memorise it.
R U' B L U L' B2 R B R2 is also needless to memorise.
R (U' L Dw2 L' U L Dw2 L') R', or
R2 (Fw2 D B2 D' Fw2 D B2 D') R2. You can construct it.
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irontwig
Veteran
Yeah, one should really look for pair-cycles too and two alg combinations for that matter.
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
THX guys, I thought I had seen LL algs in this thread before and it seems I was right.
At the time I was not interested in algs but times have changed
At the time I was not interested in algs but times have changed
nickvu2
Veteran
noobish question: Do you all have a general strategy for transitioning from F2L-1 to L3C? Right now I'm doing EO + Phasing and just hoping I get solved edges and a corner, which obviously only works out occasionally.
irontwig
Veteran
My general strategy is building pairs and trying to EO at the same time or finish (pseudo) F2L.
okayama
Veteran
(From Japanese forum)
Scramble: U2 L2 B2 L2 F' R2 U2 B F2 R2 U2 R' B R' F2 L' F R D F2
Turn pre-scramble R2 for better understanding.
Orient edges: F2 D
EOLine + square: F' L' R B'
Expand block: L2 F
F2L minus 1 slot: D2 L D2 R
All but 3 edges: F L F' L' F'
Correct pseudoness: R2
Edge 3-cycle: F' E' F2 E F'
(25 HTM)
Nice as a linear solution, but I think there's better continuation after EOLine + square. Anyone?
Scramble: U2 L2 B2 L2 F' R2 U2 B F2 R2 U2 R' B R' F2 L' F R D F2
Turn pre-scramble R2 for better understanding.
Orient edges: F2 D
EOLine + square: F' L' R B'
Expand block: L2 F
F2L minus 1 slot: D2 L D2 R
All but 3 edges: F L F' L' F'
Correct pseudoness: R2
Edge 3-cycle: F' E' F2 E F'
(25 HTM)
Nice as a linear solution, but I think there's better continuation after EOLine + square. Anyone?
mycube
Veteran
if someone is interested in first sub*whatever*:
my first sub30
scramble: B2 D R2 F2 D L2 B2 F2 U2 B2 U F L2 D L R B U´ L2 F´ U
premove U´
B L D2 F´ D2 – 2x2x2 [5+1/6]
U B – 2x1x3 [2/8]
U´ F´ U´ F – another 1x2x2 [4/12]
B´ R B – EO [3/15]
Solution to L5C:
B L D2 F´ (2) D2 U B (1) U´ F´ U´ F B´ R B U´
(1) = F D´ F´ U´ F D F´ U (8-3/20)
(2) = F D´ B´ D F´ D´ B D (8-4/24)
Solution:
B L D B´ D F´ D´ B D´ U B F D´ F´ U´ F D F2 U´ F B´ R B U´ - 24 Moves
my first sub30
scramble: B2 D R2 F2 D L2 B2 F2 U2 B2 U F L2 D L R B U´ L2 F´ U
premove U´
B L D2 F´ D2 – 2x2x2 [5+1/6]
U B – 2x1x3 [2/8]
U´ F´ U´ F – another 1x2x2 [4/12]
B´ R B – EO [3/15]
Solution to L5C:
B L D2 F´ (2) D2 U B (1) U´ F´ U´ F B´ R B U´
(1) = F D´ F´ U´ F D F´ U (8-3/20)
(2) = F D´ B´ D F´ D´ B D (8-4/24)
Solution:
B L D B´ D F´ D´ B D´ U B F D´ F´ U´ F D F2 U´ F B´ R B U´ - 24 Moves
Attila
Veteran
I found this 23-move solution:
Your start:
Orient edges: F2 D
EOLine + square: F' L' R B'
Expand block: L2 F
switch to inverse scramble,
B R2 L2 F’ more 2 edges,
L’ R2 B’ L B’ leave 4 oriented edges,
L’ F2 R L’ U2 D2.
guusrs
Veteran
Wow Atilla awesome,
I puzzled on this scramble & start too, but couldn't find better than 25 moves.
okayama
Veteran
Hmm, great, I couldn't figure out how you found the first 9 moves though...
Now I have a time, and find the following 23-move solution.
Scramble: U2 L2 B2 L2 F' R2 U2 B F2 R2 U2 R' B R' F2 L' F R D F2
Pre-scramble: R2
Orient edges: F2 D
EOLine + square: F' L' R B'
Expand block: L2 F
F2L minus 1 slot: D2 L D2 R (the same start)
All: R' F' R F2 L F' L' F' R' F R F'
Correction: R2
Attila
Veteran
After the switch i tryed to solve the corners, my first attempt was: L B’ L B’( a simply Guimond alg.), then before it to insert „B M2 B’ ” moves (which does not change the corners position). Finally more an plus move solve the 8th edge.
okayama
Veteran
Quite lucky scramble from Japanese forum
Scramble: R2 D' L2 F2 U L2 U2 B2 U' B2 U F R B F' L' F2 R L' D L'
All but 3 edges: L D' B' D' B2 D L' D' L2 F L' F' D' (Found with premoves F L' F' D')
Edge 3-cycle: D2 R2 Dw2 B Dw2 R2 D2 B
resulted in 20 moves.
Scramble: R2 D' L2 F2 U L2 U2 B2 U' B2 U F R B F' L' F2 R L' D L'
All but 3 edges: L D' B' D' B2 D L' D' L2 F L' F' D' (Found with premoves F L' F' D')
Edge 3-cycle: D2 R2 Dw2 B Dw2 R2 D2 B
resulted in 20 moves.
Julian
Veteran
Scramble: D R2 D' R2 U' F2 L2 D' F2 L2 B2 L' D R F' D B' U2 B2 U'
Inverse scramble: U B2 U2 B D' F R' D' L B2 L2 F2 D L2 F2 U R2 D R2 D'
Solution (on inverse):
U' B' R U B D // 2x2x2
R U' R U R' U' // 2x2x3
F' D R D' R F D R' D' R2 // Mess
U F' U' F2 R' F' R // F2L
R U L' U L U2 R' // OLL
Solution (inverse): U' B' R U B D R U' R U R' U' F' D R D' R F D R' D' R2 U F' U' F2 R' F' R2 U L' U L U2 R'
Solution (normal): R U2 L' U' L U' R2 F R F2 U F U' R2 D R D' F' R' D R' D' F U R U' R' U R' D' B' U' R' B U
35 HTM
The mess is because I was working on a pseudo-F2L. I figured out the premove, and went to solve the cube so I could rescramble with it. But then I got the PLL skip while solving
Inverse scramble: U B2 U2 B D' F R' D' L B2 L2 F2 D L2 F2 U R2 D R2 D'
Solution (on inverse):
U' B' R U B D // 2x2x2
R U' R U R' U' // 2x2x3
F' D R D' R F D R' D' R2 // Mess
U F' U' F2 R' F' R // F2L
R U L' U L U2 R' // OLL
Solution (inverse): U' B' R U B D R U' R U R' U' F' D R D' R F D R' D' R2 U F' U' F2 R' F' R2 U L' U L U2 R'
Solution (normal): R U2 L' U' L U' R2 F R F2 U F U' R2 D R D' F' R' D R' D' F U R U' R' U R' D' B' U' R' B U
35 HTM
The mess is because I was working on a pseudo-F2L. I figured out the premove, and went to solve the cube so I could rescramble with it. But then I got the PLL skip while solving
FM cubers,
I've not been following this forum for some weeks. But I want to spice it up with the puzzler I came up with years ago.
Generate the following state:
L2 D' R B2 R' D L U2 L
Now, orient the cubies in less than 8 moves and finish with a last layer permutation!
I will post the solution and one new puzzler like this a week from now.
I've not been following this forum for some weeks. But I want to spice it up with the puzzler I came up with years ago.
Generate the following state:
L2 D' R B2 R' D L U2 L
Now, orient the cubies in less than 8 moves and finish with a last layer permutation!
I will post the solution and one new puzzler like this a week from now.
kinch2002
Premium Member
okayama
Veteran
Hmm? I cannot understand what to do exactly...
I know the LL alg, but should I solve it in another way?
Scramble: L2 D' R B2 R' D L U2 L
Turn pre-scramble R' for better understanding.
Pseudo F2L: R
LL: F' (U B' Dw2 B U' B' Dw2 B) F
Correct pseudoness: R'
Turn pre-scramble R' for better understanding.
Pseudo F2L: R
LL: F' (U B' Dw2 B U' B' Dw2 B) F
Correct pseudoness: R'
