[Help Thread] FMC Discussion

I found a nice looking scramble today, it looked like I may be able to make something out of it, but I'm having a little trouble with my LL. Maybe one of you guys can find something cool here, it sure looks promising, doesn't it?
(oh yea, I've only had about 30 minutes to play with this today, haven't looked for cancellations or insertions yet)

L F L F B L' B' U R2 D R' F' L2 D2 B F R' D' R2 B2 F' R L' U2 L'

I was doing:
2x2x2: F U2 L
into a partial 3rd block: R2 U R2 B' U R B'
weird LLish with good cont: U R F R' F' R B' R' B R'

I had been trying something from there, it looked extremely promising but I end up with very ugly cases for the last corners. I don't have more time to screw with it, but I think this scramble has potential.
 
Thankscubing Result:

Scramble: R2 B2 U L2 D F R' D2 L D2 B U2 F2 D2 R F' R U2 (18f*)
Solution: L' D' B2 R D' F U' L' U2 B2 D B' D' U R D' R' U2 D2 B2 D' U' B U2 B U' B' R B2 R' B' (31)

x cross: L' D' B2 R D' F U' L' U (9)
first pair: U . B U' D B2 D' (5)
second pair: U' B U2 B U' (5)
third pair: B' R B2 R' (4)
AUF: B' (1)

insert at . : B D B' D' U R D' R' U' D cancelling 3 moves
 
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Is there something wrong with your last line? Doesn't work for me.

Edit: It hould be B' R B2 R' B'.
 
(thanks to keemy on the sexy move at the end)
Sorry about the cube rotations, I'm too tired to transpose correctly atm.

Scramble: R2 L2 B' U' D' B R' L2 U D R2 U' L2 U2 L2 U' F D' B R' D B L U2 L'

2x2x2: U F L F' (4)
2nd block: D F' R2 F (8)
last block: D' B D B2 L B' L' (15)
arrange: D2 B D R (19)
edges: D R' D2 R (23)
sexy move: D F D F' D' F D F' D' F D F' D2 (36)

I had 2 comms before sexy move ending, giving 43 turns, so big thanks to keemy. This is my lowest turn count yet!

Edit: there may be counting errors there, sorry, tired. BTW this solution (minus sexy move) was found in a 10 min linear.

Edit: Got rid of cube rotations. fixed turn counts.
 
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B2 U B' F2 D' L' F2 L R D R F' L B F' D' U' B' R2 D2 B2 L' U' L' F2

F R F' L U2 L U2 L'
x y'
L' U L U' F U F'
U' F' U F U R U R'
U B L2 B R2 F' B' L' F L' B R2 B2

36 moves. first time ever, done in like, 5 minutes. the last layer is thanks to cube explorer(i don't think that counts though). somebody else try this scramble, i'm sure that it's good.
 
Mazei, I like that scramble, so I figured I'd try it, did this in about 12 minutes, I might go back and look for an insertion, because it'd probably really help, anyway...oh, by the way, while you're in the habit of using cube explorer to help you out, you may want to run your scrambles through it to shorten them (or not, I do it because I suck at scrambling and have less chance of messing up an 18 turn scramble than I do a 25 turn scramble, tonight did this on a whim, so only got to 21, no time for optimal). Hope no one thinks I'm horribly silly for that O.O

Original Scramble: B2 U B' F2 D' L' F2 L R D R F' L B F' D' U' B' R2 D2 B2 L' U' L' F2
Little bit shorter one: U2 F U2 B2 U2 R2 F D2 B' D2 F' U' L U' L' U R B' F' L B'

Very obvious 2x2x2: F R F' (3)
Block 3, leaving a corner edge pair for block 4: L2 B2 L' U B' (8)
Block 4: L' U' B' (11)
Orienting: U2 F (13)
Rebuild 4 blocks, and corner edge pair broken by orienting: U2 R U' R' F' (18)
Finish edges: U' F U F' (22)
Ugly finish: B2 U F U F' D F U' F' D' B2 U2 (34)

I'm gonna go work on that insertion now.

EDIT: I'm new to the whole insertion thing (these are the first I've found!), but I THINK I found two:

1. (FRF'L2B2L'UB') U' L' U R U' L U R' (etc...)
2. (" "L'U'B'U2FU2RU'R'F'U'F) R F' L F R F' L' F (etc..)

I'm not 100% on the numbers, as usual, but I believe that both insertions give a turn count of 31.

I'm still working on my insertions, if you guys happen to see anything better, let me know!
 
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nigtv said:
Mazei, I like that scramble, so I figured I'd try it, did this in about 12 minutes, I might go back and look for an insertion, because it'd probably really help, anyway...oh, by the way, while you're in the habit of using cube explorer to help you out, you may want to run your scrambles through it to shorten them (or not, I do it because I suck at scrambling and have less chance of messing up an 18 turn scramble than I do a 25 turn scramble, tonight did this on a whim, so only got to 21, no time for optimal). Hope no one thinks I'm horribly silly for that O.O

Original Scramble: B2 U B' F2 D' L' F2 L R D R F' L B F' D' U' B' R2 D2 B2 L' U' L' F2
Little bit shorter one: U2 F U2 B2 U2 R2 F D2 B' D2 F' U' L U' L' U R B' F' L B'

Very obvious 2x2x2: F R F' (3)
Block 3, leaving a corner edge pair for block 4: L2 B2 L' U B' (8)
Block 4: L' U' B' (11)
Orienting: U2 F (13)
Rebuild 4 blocks, and corner edge pair broken by orienting: U2 R U' R' F' (18)
Finish edges: U' F U F' (22)
Ugly finish: B2 U F U F' D F U' F' D' B2 U2 (34)

I'm gonna go work on that insertion now.

EDIT: I'm new to the whole insertion thing (these are the first I've found!), but I THINK I found two:

1. (FRF'L2B2L'UB') U' L' U R U' L U R' (etc...)
2. (" "L'U'B'U2FU2RU'R'F'U'F) R F' L F R F' L' F (etc..)

I'm not 100% on the numbers, as usual, but I believe that both insertions give a turn count of 31.

I'm still working on my insertions, if you guys happen to see anything better, let me know!
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This is a crazy scramble, i found the following 26 moves solution:

SCRAMBLE: U2 F U2 B2 U2 R2 F D2 B' D2 F' U' L U' L' U R B' F' L B'
1. F R F' (same 2x2x2 block) (3/3)
2. l U2 M x' (expand to double xcross) (3/6)
3. F' U' F (3rd slot) (3/9)
4. U2 L U' L' y2 (solves 6 LL pieces) (4/13)
5. U'D' R D'R'B R2 D R2 D'B'R E2 (solves the last 5 pieces) (13/26)

thanks to http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/L1/ece.htm for the alg. tripod rocks ^^

i'm not sure if I used the correct notation for my x rotaions and M slice. I always use them like x and M same direction as R and x' and M' same direction as R'
 
Hyprul 9-ty2 said:
In FMC theres no M/E slice I think :P
And M should follow L, not R> And your x rotation is correct :D
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Isn't a lowercase (double turn I guess is what you call it?) considered bad form as well? (as in l should be R x'?) I don't really know if it is or not, but figured I'd ask...

But, still, with the added MES translation turns, at 28 so better than I had!
 
mazei said:
I think you can put E, M and S. But they just count as 2 moves. But I haven't competed in FMC yet so I don't know. Anyone?
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Yes, FMC is counted in HTM/FTM so M, M', M2, and the like are counted as 2 moves. Rewriting it as R L' or whatever would make much more sense to me.
 
y should slice moves considered as 2 moves? Its just 1 move...
i know u are going to tell me its because I rotate the centers or sth. like that, but imagine i use a LED cube or solve at my computer - theres no sence y it should be considered to be 2 moves...
 
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