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[BQ]

(D) U' R B' D // 222
(F' R2) // 223

Good start, not sure about ending. Found 14 move F2L+EO with U2 R U' R2 F2 R U but the ZBLL is bad

If you did somehow know the optimal alg which cancels (U' F2 L' U B' R' U R B L' D' L' D L') you could get a 26

Thanks for the start. I didn't notice it at all at competition.

(D) U' R B' D // 222
(F' R2) // 223
(U2 F' L' U' L F) // pseudo f2l-1
(F L' B L' B' L' B' L' F') // l3c

This result is 23 moves finally...

 

[zhainan]

Thanks for the start. I didn't notice it at all at competition.

(D) U' R B' D // 222
(F' R2) // 223
(U2 F' L' U' L F) // pseudo f2l-1
(F L' B L' B' L' B' L' F') // l3c

This result is 23 moves finally...

What a pity, if you have found it, the wr would be flushed.....

 

[1973486]

Thanks for the start. I didn't notice it at all at competition.

(D) U' R B' D // 222
(F' R2) // 223
(U2 F' L' U' L F) // pseudo f2l-1
(F L' B L' B' L' B' L' F') // l3c

This result is 23 moves finally...

Surely the ending is
(U2 F L' U' L F)
(F' L' B L' B' L' F L' F2)

The first line is just a move off but the second took me a while to figure out

Very nice solution

 

[BQ]

Surely the ending is
(U2 F L' U' L F)
(F' L' B L' B' L' F L' F2)

The first line is just a move off but the second took me a while to figure out

Very nice solution

Ooops, sorry for the mistake.

 

[BenBergen]

Anyone know what the UWRs for Mo3 and Ao12 in FMC are? I can’t find them on the speedsolving wiki.

 

[Hssandwich]

26.00 mean at Euros today, tied my NR

#1: 28

Spoiler

R' U' F D B2 L2 D' U2 L2 R2 B2 R2 D' L2 B D2 L U' L' B' L' R2 B D' R' U' F

R //square
(L' B2 U R') //EO
F' (B) //2 more squares
R2 B' //1x2x3
B' U' @ B U2 R2 D //solve the blocks
R2 F' D F' D' F2 R2 //21 to 3c
@ L F L' B2 L F' L' B2 (1 cancel)

Unlucky insertion, but still a solid solve

#2: 26

Spoiler

R' U' F L D2 F2 L2 R' B2 R D2 F2 D2 L2 F' L' U2 R2 D L2 F D2 L' U' R' U' F

L D2 R' F //EO
D' @ L2 D2 F2 U' L //Domino
D R2 U2 $ R2 //14 to 5c
@: B R B' L2 B R' B' L2 (2 cancel)
$: D L2 D' R2 D L2 D' R2 (2 cancel)


Again a bit unlucky with insertions, but thankfully the skeleton was good.

#3: 24

Spoiler

R' U' F L2 B' D2 L2 B' F2 R2 U2 B2 D L' B2 R D2 R' U' L' D2 R B R' U' F

B R' D F //EO
(B2 L' B2) //1x2x3
(L' U' L' B2 L' D) //13 to 3e4c

B R' D F D' L B2 L U @ L B2 L B2
@ L' U R % U' R' L (leave 3c, 1 cancel)
% F D F' U' F D' F' U (2 cancel)

This was a bit lucky, but it made up for the unlucky insertions on 1 and 2.

Here's @bubbagrub's (Ben Coppin) and Marcel's 20
B' //pair
L2 U' B //square
L' B2 //square
R U' B R L2 //11 to 3c3e
+some insertions that cancelled to make 20

 

[TipsterTrickster]

How I describe NISS

 

[guysensei1]

Weird solution, EO, changing the EO axis partway, then cancelling out the initial EO...?

4. R' U' F L' F2 D2 R2 U' D2 R' U2 R B' U2 B' D2 B' D2 F D2 R2 D2 B R' U' F

Spoiler

(F) L' D B//EO (4/4)
(R F2 L' D')//2x2x2+accidental white front EO (4/8)
(U2 B2 U2)//2x2x3 (3/11)
(B2 R2)//F2L-1 (2/13)
(B2 R B' R' B2 R B2 R' B)//3C, last move cancels out the first EO (9-2/20)

L' D R B2 R' B2 R B R' B2 R2 B2 U2 B2 * U2 D L F2 R' F'
*=F2 U B2 U' F2 U B2 U' (8-1/27)

Final: L' D R B2 R' B2 R B R' B2 R2 B2 U2 B2 F2 U B2 U' F2 U B2 U D L F2 R' F' (27)

 

[SpeedCubeReview]

#2: 26

Spoiler

R' U' F L D2 F2 L2 R' B2 R D2 F2 D2 L2 F' L' U2 R2 D L2 F D2 L' U' R' U' F

L D2 R' F //EO
D' @ L2 D2 F2 U' L //Domino
D R2 U2 $ R2 //14 to 5c
@: B R B' L2 B R' B' L2 (2 cancel)
$: D L2 D' R2 D L2 D' R2 (2 cancel)


Again a bit unlucky with insertions, but thankfully the skeleton was good.

That's such a nice solve
I'm working on understanding Domino more and corner orientation tends to trip me up. Any tips on how to incorporate CO with EO or how to efficiently do it after?

 

[Akyrapower]

I learning how to do l3e insertions. I have came across cyclic shifts. I know how to utilise them but I can't seem to find a list of all of them

 

[SpartanSailor]

Hey all!
Quick question... is there a rule for FMC regarding the three (up to 3) cubes a person can use? Meaning, like BLD there can be no logos. Is there a similar restriction for FMC?

 

[Duncan Bannon]

No restriction as far as I'm aware.

 

[SpartanSailor]

No restriction as far as I'm aware.

Thanks!

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Main thing is no electronics. Don't talk, and go to the bathroom before every attempt.

 

[guysensei1]

oops i totally forgot to post this here, but i got some nice singles at Medan All Events a few weeks ago,

Round 1, 24 tied NR single
Scramble: R' U' F U2 L2 B2 D' B2 U' L' F D U B2 F2 R2 F2 U2 R B U R' U' F

Spoiler

B F R' F//EO (4/4)
U' R2 U//2x2x2 (3/7)
R' U R2 U'//2x2x3 (4/11)
R2 D' R'//5C lmao (3/14)

B F R' F U' * R2 U R' ** U R2 U' R2 D' R'
*=U F' D' F U' F' D F (8-4/18)
**=R' U' L U R U' L' U (8-2/24)

Final: B F R' D' F U' F' D F R2 U R2 U' L U R U' L' U2 R2 U' R2 D' R' (24)

Round 2 solve 1, 25 single
Scramble:
R' U' F U B2 U R2 U B2 F2 L2 U' L R' U' R B' F R' U2 F2 L2 D R' U' F

Spoiler

B' (L R2 B)//EO (4/4)
(L U2 L U2)//2x2x2 (4/8)
D R2 B2//2x2x3 (3/11)
R D2//F2L-1 (2/13)
R' D R2 D' R2 D R2 D'//3C (8/21)

B' * D R2 B2 R D2 R' D R2 D' R2 D R2 D' U2 L' U2 L' B' R2 L'
*=L' D R2 D' L D R2 D' (8-4/25)

Final: B' L' D R2 D' L D B2 R D2 R' D R2 D' R2 D R2 D' U2 L' U2 L' B' R2 L'

 

[jschwarz21]

Thoughts on this skeleton?

D' F' L2 R' F U R' B L' U R D' L B2 U2 R2 D' U R' L

B D B’ F’ D’ F // EO (6/6)
D2 L’ D’ R D’ R2 D’ L’ D2 // AB6C (9/15)

 

[ChrisCuber123]

Solutions from my 25.00 winning mean at US Nats
Far and away my proudest cubing achievement

1. 26

Spoiler

R' U' F R2 D' R2 U B2 L2 U B2 D2 R2 U2 B R U B F2 D R' F' R' U2 R' U' F

R' U L2 D // EO+3 pairs
(L' F') // square
B L' // 2x2x2 with inserted B to preserve pairs
B' R B D2 // 2x2x3
R B R2 B2 // F2L-1
B' R2 B R2 B' R' B // L3C
skeleton: R' U L2 D B L' B' R B D2 R B R2 B R2 B * R2 B' R' B F L
*: B' R F R' B R F' R' (cancels 4 lmao)

that EO start is literally the only good start I found the whole hour, other than that the scramble was terrible lol

2. 24

Spoiler

R' U' F D2 L2 B2 D' F2 L2 R2 F2 R2 F' R B' U2 L' U R' F2 D R' F2 U' R' U' F

(F2 D R) // EO
F D // square
(F R2) // 2x2x2
(B' L2 B' U2 B') // 2x2x3+square
(L2 U B' U B ) // F2L
(L' U' L U' L' U2 L) // lmao

found this in literally the last 2 minutes of the attempt while messing around with blocks

3. 25

Spoiler

Don't have the scramble oops

(R2 B2) // square
(F2 R U) // EO+ps2x2x2
R' // 2x2x2
L F' L2 F U2 F L' // 3e5c
skeleton: R' L F' L2 F U2 ^ F L' U' R' F2 B2 R2 *
*: B L' U' L U B' // L3C (lol)
^: U2 L D L' U2 L D' L'

Best I could find for the first 30-35 mins was something terrible like 25 to 3c, then decided to try the 2 move square and found this right away

The one thing I have to say about this mean as a whole: getting lucky is not a crime

 

[Kit Clement]

Guess I'll post the 2nd place solutions

Spoiler: Scramble 1 (31)

Scramble: R' U' F R2 D' R2 U B2 L2 U B2 D2 R2 U2 B R U B F2 D R' F' R' U2 R' U' F

I: U B2 //221 (2/2)
N: L' B L2 //222 (3/5)
I: R2 U' R2 U' R //223 (5/10)
N: L F2 L' //partial EO (2/12)
U2 F U2 R' F R //block, pair, Petrus EO (6/18)
U' F U F2 U' F' //L3C (6/24)

Skeleton: L' B L' F2 L' U2 F U2 (1) R' F R U' F U F2 U' F' R' U R2 U R2 B2 U'

1: F' R B' R' F R B R' (cancels 1)

Final: L' B L' F2 L' U2 F U2 F' R B' R' F R B R2 F R U' F U F2 U' F' R' U R2 U R2 B2 U' (31)

Also found this 18 to 3e3c, but optimal was 32 (!!).

I: U B2 //221 (2/2)
R' F L' //222 (3/5)
N: U' R2 //two pair (2/7)
L U' L' R U //square + roux block (5/12)
I: R' //pseudo (1/13)
N: B' //more pseudo (1/14)
I: R' F R' F' R' //3e3c (4/18)

Found this just now after re-examining this start for 5 min or so:

I: U B2 //221 (2/2)
R' F L' //222 (3/5)
N: U' R2 //two pair (2/7)
L U' L' R U //square + roux block (5/12)
I: R' B //pseudo (2/14)
N: U B' R' B //EO (3/17)
U R U2 R' U2 //L3C (5/22)

Optimal is 26.

Spoiler: Scramble 2 (27)

Scramble: R' U' F D2 L2 B2 D' F2 L2 R2 F2 R2 F' R B' U2 L' U R' F2 D R' F2 U' R' U' F
N: U R U //PS222 (3/3)
I: F //fix PS (1/4)
R B2 D' B' //223 (4/8)
B' D' B //Petrus EO (2/10)
N: R' D R2 D R2 D' //L5C (6/16)

Skel: U R U R' D R2 (1) D R2 D' B' D B2 D B2 R' F'

1: R' U' R D R' U (2) R D' (cancels 4)
2: B' L B R B' L' B R' (cancels 1)

Final: U R U R' D R U' R D R' U B' L B R B' L' B R2 D' B' D B2 D B2 R' F' (27)

This one hurt -- optimal was 26. Somehow didn't see the first insertion on my first pass-through, so I spent a lot of time checking nested on first insertions that only cancelled 2. Found that when I decided to look a second time, but none of my insertions that cancelled 2 worked with that first insertion, and I had only 7 minutes left once I found the insertion cancelling 4. Was super nervous and misscrambled a bunch, and had to go with cancelling 1 since time was running out. Wrote the last move with 10 seconds to go and didn't get to check the solution.

Spoiler: Scramble 3 (22)

Scramble: R' U' F D' F2 L2 U' R2 U' L2 U R2 U2 L2 R D2 F D L U D F R D2 R' U' F
I: R2 B2 R //PS222 (3/3)
N: R' //fix PS (1/4)
I: U' L' F2 U //EO (4/8)
F L2 U2 //223 with Petrus EO (3/11)
N: L' F2 L F2 L' //F2L-1 (5/16)
L' F' L F' L' F' L //LL skip (6/22)

Final: R' L' F2 L F2 L2 F' L F' L' F' L U2 L2 F' U' F2 L U R' B2 R2 (22)

Well, guess I can't complain anymore!

 

[ComputerGuy365]

Thoughts on this skeleton?

D' F' L2 R' F U R' B L' U R D' L B2 U2 R2 D' U R' L

B D B’ F’ D’ F // EO (6/6)
D2 L’ D’ R D’ R2 D’ L’ D2 // AB6C (9/15)

That's good 6 in 15, that's a pretty good skeleton

 

[Hssandwich]

That's such a nice solve
I'm working on understanding Domino more and corner orientation tends to trip me up. Any tips on how to incorporate CO with EO or how to efficiently do it after?

Sorry, only just saw this!
The solve was very lucky in this regard, I initially wasn't looking for domino reduction, but once I made the 1x2x3 differently to solve some edges to make a pseudo 2x2x3, I just saw that I could do domino really easily. I'm yet to practice domino stuff/ PDR because I'm satisfied with what I can do at the moment, so maybe some other people could help you out (Matej G maybe?)