Cube Rotation or AUF before PLL?

[rubiknewbie]

If it's an edge or corner perm, I AUF first as I can perform any of those from any angle at basically the same speed.

Otherwise, it can get awkward to AUF first. I don't like cube rotations, so I line up case, perform case, AUF. Some cases are a pain in the neck to AUF after the alg, though, like my Gd, Ga, F, V, Aa, and Ab. Still, I think it's faster to AUF after the alg. Usually you know what rotation is needed at the end, so AUF just becomes part of the alg.

Why is it some perms are worse after the alg? Isn't it same for all of them?

 

[DavidSanders]

I find I go much faster when I align afterwards, so I usually try to execute after lining up the case with U turns.

 

[rubiknewbie]

My initial thinking about aligning after execution is similar to using empty slots in F2L. I do the hard work with the algorithms using the most convenient current position then do the adjustment after hoping to cut down move count.

Now that I think about it, it is not the same. Using empty slots in F2L cuts down move count, but doing AUF after does not cut down move count if you already know what is the correctly aligned position before. The number of turns is the same, only difference is the change in sequence of the turns.

Right now I am still better off doing AUF after, until I get familiar with the proper alignment to do before execution. Recognition before is more difficult than after.

 

[hawkmp4]

I thought about this some more and I realised what I do. I look at the U layer and during recognition I make a note of the pieces that will be untouched by the permutation algorithm. I use the PLL execution time to figure out which way to AUF once I'm done.

 

[StachuK1992]

Apart for G Perms, I always see which option of the two is best:
1-(AUF+cuberotate)+alg
2-or just (cuberotate+alg)+AUF

GPerms are just annoying to recog without AUFing before. :|

 

[nck]

auf in pll

i realized that i suck at last layer after my 13s cross+f2l turned into a 30.11solve

just want to know do most people rotate the cube during pll or do they adjust u layer, do the pll, and then adjust again?

 

[gavnasty]

What does auf mean?

I do both. Mostly rotating the cube though.

 

[rahulkadukar]

What does auf mean?

I do both. Mostly rotating the cube though.

AUF -> Adjust U Face

 

[AndyRoo789]

Depends which case.

 

[nck]

for example, if you encounter t-perm +y2, how would you do it?
U2 t-perm U2 or y2 T-perm?

 

[Faz]

for example, if you encounter t-perm +y2, how would you do it?
U2 t-perm U2 or y2 T-perm?

Neither

Spoiler

R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U F' L' U L

 

[Dene]

Doing AUF or a rotation is always going to cost you time, but not as much as you appear to be losing. I suggest you get better at recognising cases and executing algorithms faster.

 

[Rpotts]

faz lies, his alg sloves for Tperm +U2, not a Tperm on left, or tperm+y2

L' U' L U L F' L2 U L U L' U' r U

 

[Zane_C]

I've learned how to recognize and AUF for every PLL and am glad to have. Although some people may find a y2 better then U4 (AUF to apply PLL with U2, align after alg with U2)

 

[riffz]

I try to AUF most times, but if it's a y or y' away then sometimes I just do that.

 

[vcuber13]

For me it depends on the PLL, if its U, A, T, Y, or J I'll AUF otherwise I rotate. (I may also rotate on them depending on how I feel at the time)

 

[MiloD]

never took faz as the kind of cuber that would give out misinformation to keep his competitive edge. brutal dude, is it really that rough at the top?

 

[Sa967St]

It depends on what the last few moves of the PLL are. If it ends with an F or F' I would usually do the AUF before I execute it since doing F'/F followed by a U/U'/U2 is awkward for me.

 

[Hyprul 9-ty2]

It depends on what the last few moves of the PLL are. If it ends with an F or F' I would usually do the AUF before I execute it since doing F'/F followed by a U/U'/U2 is awkward for me.

I wrist my T perm AUF

 

[ben1996123]

I do AUF before PLL, then a cube rotation, then the PLL, and stop the timer.