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Cube Explorer 5.00 released - with slice moves

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I want to use cube explorer (or another piece of software if it works better) to generate algs for some LL cases and I'm not sure how to do it exactly. The goal is to orientate all the LL edges and insert the F2L pair. Could someone help me?

Example case(s)
Setup: R U R' (3)
If you look down on the U face the back 3 edges are orientated
Solution is R U' R' (3)

Setup: R U R' F' U F (6)
There are 2 edges orientated
Solution is just inserting it with hammerhead instead. U' R' F R F' (5)

There are 8 possible cases of edge orientation. I want to generate optimum and 2 gen algs for them. I'm just not sure how to do it.
 

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Cannot help you on the actual software but:
Did you already check Lars Vandenbergh's ' Cubezone.be?
Algs generated by ACube

Perhaps you can already take some algs from there.
If you do not like the actual algs you can still use the images of all the cases to help you set up the patterns for CE.
 

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Kociemba.org Down and Cube Explorer 5.01

For some reason kociemba.org is down (for me at least). Does any one have the download for 5.01 (and maybe 5.01s)?

Those would be helpful.

Thanks.
 
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Kociemba.org has never worked for me, regardless of the device or network I use.

Interesting to hear. Kociemba.org has always worked for me, regardless of the device or network I use and from which country I am calling my page. So I really cannot believe that it is general problem.
 

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Kociemba cube explorer website is down

The website for the kociemba cube explorer is down. Could someone who has the file reupload it on mediafire or somewhere?
 

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Does this help?

No it doesnt help, he was asking for a way to generate that subset using cube explorer, and not more information or a video on it.

There are 8 possible cases of edge orientation. I want to generate optimum and 2 gen algs for them. I'm just not sure how to do it.

Just use trial and error to figure out each case and decide for yourself.
 
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Using left-click, right-click and ctrl+left-click you can get

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which would be your R U R' setup. With "Add and Solve" you then find maneuvers for this. You can exclude some faces if you want. By changing the locations of the diagonal pattern you can get the other 7 cases, for example

upload_2018-8-8_13-19-32.png
 
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Using left-click, right-click and ctrl+left-click you can get

View attachment 9357

which would be your R U R' setup. With "Add and Solve" you then find maneuvers for this. You can exclude some faces if you want. By changing the locations of the diagonal pattern you can get the other 7 cases, for example

View attachment 9360
Nice answer to split the problem into 8 sets and have Cube Explorer generate algs for each set. I wouldn't have thought of this approach, but of course mr. Cube Explorer knows best! Interesting to see this answer appearing 7 years later ;). There have been a few other "can I use Cube Explorer to generate algs for situation x" threads lately. Maybe you can have a look there as well?
 
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That's essentially VHLS. There's no need to generate that because there's all really intuitive algs with sledges

If you want to insert pair and flip edges at the same time, you could use ZBLS but there's a ton of algs
 

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For those of you who use Cube Explorer to find algorithms, I have noticed some serious errors in the program that prevent it from finding the optimal algorithms for certain cases. In some cases it doesn't even come close to finding the optimal algorithm. I have attached an image using version 5.13, showing two Waterman/LMCF cases where it fails to find the optimal algorithm, in one of the cases it isn't even close. I have noticed this effect over the last 2 years and I thought the events were just occasional bugs, but after generating hundreds of algorithms I have now found that as much as 1 in 5 cases I can find algorithms by hand that are faster and never found by the program. Please note that sometimes algorithms are obscured by preceding U/U' or M/M' or R/R' L/L' and you need to look further down the list to see these 'hidden' variants with setup moves, but I assure you I have already taken that into account and if you play with the two examples in the image, you'll see what I mean.

If for some reason you can't view the image, try this scramble:

M' D' M' U M D M' U' M2

This is a scramble for Waterman Set 2 where you solve UR+DR while orienting the midges.

The shortest algorithm and fastest was found by hand:
M2 U M D' M' U' M D [8]

If you insist on correcting the centers like cube explorer does, then the solution adds M:
M2 U M D' M' U' M D M [9]

However if you plug this case into cube explorer the shortest algorithms it finds are 10 moves, and at no point will it find the above algorithm. This is one of dozens of such cases. I have been working on the latest revision to the LMCF method and now as many as 20% of the algorithms have been found by hand, since they can't be found by cube explorer. As I understand it this is the utility that most people use to generate algorithms, and it makes me wonder if ZBLL, OLLCP, VLS or any of the big sets are actually optimal, there could be hundreds of amazing algorithms never found. If you know of any utility that can actually find the correct algorithm in the two cases provided, please let me know.

See attached image.
 

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TL;DR uncheck BDL boxes

This glitch only happens when using slice moves mode
So big alg sets like ZBLL are not hindered in any way
To fix glitch, allow all faces, meaning leave your B, D, and L boxes unchecked, even if you don’t want them. In your screenshot you had them checked, I’m not sure why Cube Explorer acts this way but it just does
If you’re still having issues, it might be caused by the centers so try every center combination (4) and see which yields the best alg
If nothing works, you might have to try other things like downloading it again or something
Hopefully I helped
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