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[Help Thread] Colour Neutral Discussion and Help

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I did 750 solves being color neutral, and I never got very close to my normal average, I gave up for about half a year but now I decided to start again. 750 more solves, and I am about 2.6 seconds away from normal. I have improved quite a bit, but definitely not color neutral yet. I think it would take more like 5000 solves to become fully CN.
Best is to be colour neutral from the start. If you do that, it'll save trouble when you're trying to go sub-8.
 

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I did 750 solves being color neutral, and I never got very close to my normal average, I gave up for about half a year but now I decided to start again. 750 more solves, and I am about 2.6 seconds away from normal. I have improved quite a bit, but definitely not color neutral yet. I think it would take more like 5000 solves to become fully CN.
Part of that is that you've used white for your entire cubing career. For me(19ish seconds), it would take a lot less time to be CN, and for someone around 40 or so seconds, it would be even easier.
 

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Part of that is that you've used white for your entire cubing career. For me(19ish seconds), it would take a lot less time to be CN, and for someone around 40 or so seconds, it would be even easier.
The only thing that came of my first attempt at color neutral was that afterwards I could solve yellow just as fast as white, so I can solve white and yellow. Yeah I think it would be a lot easier for someone with slower times to become color neutral faster. You should try to learn to be color neutral!
 

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The only problems I face with color neutrality is recognition of Cross pieces and recognition of the F2L cases. Can someone help?:oops::oops:
 

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You just need to do solves with other colors and you will get used to it.
Thanks buddy. Actually that's what I am right now. But it doesn't seem to make ANY difference in the times! I was Sub 50 with White and I am still sub 50 with any other color. My normal times are improving quite a bit now though!:D:D
 

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I have a general question. People tend to leave getting colour neutral until they are quite fast, sub 10. And I understand that's as it's not a big difference, which makes sense.

But when I see people showing their progress on it, it seems that it takes quite a long time at the faster speeds, much longer than, say, learning alg sets takes. Whereas learning it when you're much slower, takes less time as you've not gotten into the habits of Cross and F2L predictions and lookahead.

So, on the assumption that you are going to learn to be colour neutral at some stage, you should do it as early as possible, right? As learning algs are much easier to do when fast, than learning CN.
 

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Right. But most of the advice on the forum I see, doesn't suggest it. So either people think it's never worth learning, or people should be suggesting it a lot more often to people as the next thing to learn.
These days, I just assume colour neutrality as a default—you shouldn't even have to be told to do it. If you haven't been cubing for a year and you're not colour neutral, you're doing it wrong.

(I'm personally sort-of-not-really-but-kinda colour neutral (if crosses/blocks are especially easy, I'll do that colour), but my excuse is that I got into speedcubing five years ago and fully committing to a switch now seems like too much effort.)
 

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I understand that CN mean you can solve with any cross / bottom colour, / any orientation

But how CN is CN? I mean, anybody who understand how to solve a cube could solve with any orientation, it's just to matter of competence of recognition.

I read that it's easier to get CN when you are slower. That make sense. For example, someone need 3 months to get from sub 60 to sub 30 without CN, and then another 9 months to sub 15 without CN.
At this point, he practice CN, it may bring him down to 45 seconds, and he practice after 3 months, he is sub 15 with all 6 colours, so learning CN took him 3 months. Total time from sub 60, no CN, to sub 15 CN is 15 months

If the same person, learn CN when he's sub 60, bringing all 6 colours to sub 60 might take him one month, because all 6 colours are equally slow. He got the time to recognize. Comparing with centers, etc.

THe question is, how long will he get sub 15 with CN. Will that be longer or shorter than 15 months?


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But how CN is CN? I mean, anybody who understand how to solve a cube could solve with any orientation, it's just to matter of competence of recognition.
Well, you got that point right, but the hard part is figuring out what is what to begin with. I'll use my experience in Square-1 as a way to explain it. When I am doing a square-1 solve, during CO and EO, I only look at the black species. It's almost as if I don't see the white pieces to begin with since I don't need to, all I need to know is the location of black pieces and where the black pieces are not. The white pieces are filtered out of my brain, the same sort of thing happens with F2L. If you solve on only green cross, then your brain will filter out all of the pieces with blue on them in favor of trying to find F2L pieces. The hard part about being CN is trying to find those pieces that your brain will associate with a different step. I'm Dual CN so I solve on only White and Yellow, which is actually quite easy since they both have the same F2L edge species. The hard part about me trying to solve on Green is that I mostly associate the F2L edges with Cross or LL instead of F2L, so my brain will try to filter them out instead of seeing them as F2L pieces, so it's very hard to recognize since for the most part, I don't have to think when I'm looking for pieces during F2L. Being CN means that you are equally fast with your recognition on every single cross color during specifically F2L

I read that it's easier to get CN when you are slower. That make sense. For example, someone need 3 months to get from sub 60 to sub 30 without CN, and then another 9 months to sub 15 without CN.
At this point, he practice CN, it may bring him down to 45 seconds, and he practice after 3 months, he is sub 15 with all 6 colours, so learning CN took him 3 months. Total time from sub 60, no CN, to sub 15 CN is 15 months
It's easier when your slower because the filtering out part of your thinking isn't developed if you haven't been cubing for a long time, so its easy to get rid of that part since its not developed nearly as well as someone who as been cubing for years compared to someone who learned a few weeks ago.

THe question is, how long will he get sub 15 with CN. Will that be longer or shorter than 15 months?
It all depends on practice, the more you do CN solves, the faster the transition to CN.
 
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