[Help Thread] Algorithm Memorization Discussion

[elcarc]

OH, i forgot, be sure, that if your doing intuitive f2l, to still learn algs for it. it really helps

 

[Rubenx96]

whats intuitive f2l....i'm a noob

 

[phases]

Intuitive F2L means just solving the first two layers (F2L) without memorizing algs. Just.. do.. it.. by looking at what you're presented with and moving along.

Cross first as usual, then you drop in first layer corner/middle layer pairs - four times, and you're done. (with F2L)

Here is part 1 of a two video series to help, it takes some practice but is real good stuff. Check his channel for more advanced videos when you're ready.

Edit: for the record, I'm one of the guys that don't worry about learning algs for fl2. Some people will tell you to do so, some will tell you to don't, some will tell you to learn a couple. *shrug*. Course it's only been about 10 weeks for me and I only average 46ish seconds so... you know.. one day I may agree that learning a couple algs is the way to go.

 

[Shadow_Chaos_7]

Memorizing algorithms?

I've gotten to the point where I can solve a 3x3 in under a minute, I want to be able to solve it faster, like around 30 seconds or so. I started looking into the "Fridrich" method, but I'm at a loss at how to memorize 100+ algorithms... any suggestions?

 

[dillonbladez]

not 100+

it's actually 78, i think. OLL is 57 and PLL is 21. First of all, learn the 4-Look Last Layer. it allows you to complete the last layer in four algorithms, or 'four looks' only 15 algorithms. Memorization is all muscle memory. at least for me. different people have different ways of memorizing. for example, lots of people find it easy to memorize algorithms by tracking pieces as they move around the cube, while I do not.

 

[keyboarddrummer]

When I started Fridrich, I attempted to learn F2L and all OLL and all PLL. For F2L, I found that not all algs had to be memorized. Basically, find one or two cases each that suits all positions (white on top, white on right, etc). Then make that case. Also, some of them just make sense. One example is of when you just have to make a move like R U R' to insert a piece. Again, learn 2 look OLL and PLL, there are very few algs to learn as compared to full OLL and PLL.

 

[Musturd]

But don't just do Fridrich.
Experiment with a variety of methods before you start perfecting one.

 

[Hiero]

Go to Badmephisto's youtube channel and look for How to Become a Speedcuber. You should start by learning F2L and he has a very good video on this. You don't really have to learn any new algorithms with this. After that then you should move to 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL, which I believe have 13 algorithms total. You will not have to learn much more algorithms than the beginner method.

 

[Shadow_Chaos_7]

Thanks everyone, I'd never heard of the 2-look OLL and PLL, I think 13 algorithms is a LOT eaiser to manage

 

[AndyRoo789]

It's only 100 + if you learn algorithmic F2L instead of intuitive. (Which I DON'T recommend)

There's 21 PLL algs, and 57 OLL algs.

Here's what I recommend you should go about learning Fridrich:

Learn intuitive F2L.

Learn 2 look PLL. Only 6 algs to learn.

Learn 2 look OLL. Only 9 algs to learn.

After that, you can start learning full PLL, then start learning full OLL.

Badmephisto's "How to become a speedcuber" guide is pretty good.

So when you first start, you really only need to learn about 15 algs, and just with that, some people can get really good times.

I use intuitive F2L + 2 look OLL + Full PLL and I average around 30 secs.

 

[waffle=ijm]

But don't just do Fridrich.
Experiment with a variety of methods before you start perfecting one.

This.

I used CFOP then Petrus then Roux. Seriously, you never know what you'll like until you try

 

[jackdexter75]

Tips on memorizing f2l

I am currently using Andy Klises f2l algs. and some of my own. I guess I just fail at cubing? :fp and honestly, a lot of people on here aren't that helpful to people who don't know much haha. JK. What are some ways to help in the process of (1) getting faster at doing moves in general (2) learning f2l and getting a stronger and faster intuition for solving the cube.. and idk just where did most people go after they got past beginner method? I'm not worried about oll and pll I found algs that I really like for that. just the f2l method I haven't been comfortable with. idk maybe I need to just give it more time.

 

[Dene]

Follow the corners and edges around the cube when you are performing the F2L algorithms so that you can see what is happening. I'm pretty sure that all F2L cases are just reducing the corner and edge pair into one of 2 basic states.

 

[Zane_C]

Well as for the turning fast, concentrate on what actually makes the turning fast, don't just try and get fast without studying finger tricks, they should come natually.
With F2L, um, just persist, I never watched any F2L videos, but I think there are some good ones out there people could recommend.

 

[TheBB]

a lot of people on here aren't that helpful to people who don't know much haha.

That thing about practice making perfect, it's no lie you know.

I have a general feeling that a lot of people (not necessarily talking about you now) want to learn as many cool tricks as possible, but when it comes down to it, practice is, in 99% of the cases, simply the way to get better.

I'd just solve a lot of F2L. Trying to focus on looking ahead will pay off, but ultimately it's just a matter of solving a lot of F2L.

 

[jiggy]

In my opinion, the best way to learn F2L is intuitively. You usually end up creating your own algs anyway but you get a far better understanding -an intuition, if you will- for F2l and how the pairs move around the cube.

You may find it useful to watch a few tutorials on F2L, to see a few of the simpler tricks and learn general good practice. As always, I strongly recommend Badmephisto. Other than that, just chill out. Do a few solves in your own time, not racing the clock or trying to be fast. Just watch how everything moves, maybe try tracking your next pair as you solve the current and don't be afraid to back track and try solving a case in a different way. Just chill out.

Best of luck!

 

[koreancuber]

In my opinion, the best way to learn F2L is intuitively. You usually end up creating your own algs anyway but you get a far better understanding -an intuition, if you will- for F2l and how the pairs move around the cube.

You may find it useful to watch a few tutorials on F2L, to see a few of the simpler tricks and learn general good practice. As always, I strongly recommend Badmephisto. Other than that, just chill out. Do a few solves in your own time, not racing the clock or trying to be fast. Just watch how everything moves, maybe try tracking your next pair as you solve the current and don't be afraid to back track and try solving a case in a different way. Just chill out.

Best of luck!

I learned that way to. I think it's the easiest way for most of the F2L cases, although there are weird cases that I suggest that you learn. (not a lot)
Good luck cubing! <><

 

[Daniel Wu]

And if you do use algs, make sure you know what the algs do why they work. Follow the corner and edge around and make sure you understand the alg.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

I've gotta jump on the intuitive bandwagon too. I can't, for the life of me, see why you'd want to learn anything NON-intuitive on a cube if there were an intuitive alternative...

 

[Johan444]

I can't, for the life of me, see why you'd want to learn anything NON-intuitive on a cube if there were an intuitive alternative...

Because it's faster.