[Help Thread] 2x2 CLL Method Discussion

[avgdi]

Hasn't someone learned full CLL in a day before? I'd be surprised if it hasn't been done.

Me.
I saw this thread at the beginning of the week, and was surprised at how quickly some people learned CLL. And then when I saw you say this I was like, "Challenge accepted!"
It took me around 8 hours to learn, and I was extremely mentally exhausted at the end of the day. I wasn't sure how well I'd be able to remember them, but when I got up this morning I only forgot 1 alg. The Sune and Anti-Sune cases are hard for me to recognize, but after a few days of practice I think I'll have everything down pretty well.

A word of advice for anyone else wanting to learn CLL. 1 day is pretty overboard for learning it. Realistically though, I think 3 days would actually be quite easy. I learned the first 2 subsets very quickly, but once I started adding more it got very difficult. So you could learn 2 subsets a day and then throw the H cases on any one of those days.

 

[Future Cuber]

Ummm... Im thinking of learning CLL but then Which case should i go through first
Easy and less cases...
Thanx

 

[Antonie faz fan]

any good alg for an diagonal swap anti-sune?

 

[Bindedsa]

any good alg for an diagonal swap anti-sune?

U' R' U' R U' R' U R' F R F' U R
U' R2 U R U2 L' U R2 U' L
R U2 R' F R' F' R U' R U' R'

 

[kcl]

I neeeed help with first layer I know it can be done in 5 moves but I found one case and spent 20 mins looking at it and could only find an 8 move FL! How do u do this? I have been practicing for months!

Scramble?

 

[EMI]

I neeeed help with first layer I know it can be done in 5 moves but I found one case and spent 20 mins looking at it and could only find an 8 move FL! How do u do this?

Do you solve color neutral? (you should, it's easy.)

 

[ollicubes]

I am color nuetral at everything and on 3x3 I can always get optimal cross within a minute and a pretty good one in my 15 sec inspection it's not just one scramble. I fail at every first layer unless there is already a block of 2 peices.

If you make a diagonal swap face you can solve it by doing R2, B2, R2. You can use this easily to make your FL with this and cancelling moves

 

[TDM]

If you make a diagonal swap face you can solve it by doing R2, B2, R2. You can use this easily to make your FL with this and cancelling moves

Or R2 F2 R2 sometimes, to avoid regrips.

 

[PJKCuber]

Can I learn CLL immediately after LBL? I average 7 seconds easily with LBL. My PBL recognition sucks, so can I just skip Ortega and learn CLL?

 

[Kit Clement]

Can I learn CLL immediately after LBL? I average 7 seconds easily with LBL. My PBL recognition sucks, so can I just skip Ortega and learn CLL?

If you're having trouble recognizing PBLs, I don't think you'll have any easier time with CLL recognition.

 

[BrianJ]

If you're having trouble recognizing PBLs, I don't think you'll have any easier time with CLL recognition.

This is most definitely true. Also, Ortega helps with CLL. At Iowa, there was a scramble with an adjacent face, and I still haven't learned that EG-1, so I got a decent time by using Ortega.

 

[goodatthis]

I'm trying to learn CLL, and learning the algs is no problem, I already have the H and Pi/Bruno sets down, my problem is just remembering the cases that the algs go with. And tips/tricks for this? Maybe writing down the case and the alg and justu studying them together?

 

[BrianJ]

My fl times are getting much better finally and I have started on cll I learned H cases last night so they are pretty easy but I want to actually solve with them a bunch so I can automatically do them when I see the case, but I did 2x2 250 TIMES- and I didn't even GET all 4 of them. And I don't want to go on to the next set because I feel like I don't know them well enough because I can't get them in solves

If solves aren't working, try this: do a T-perm, and flip corners to match the H OLL. Do the CLL case.

 

[CyanSandwich]

The only CLL trainer I could find online was this: http://cll-trainer.blogspot.co.nz/
Which seems pretty good, but I don't like the diagrams (they force you to use a 4-sticker recognition system).

So I've started making an app, which uses Chris Olson's pics and algs, and randomly generates from the selected sets (on the left) whenever you press space.
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/1c55556e1c02d0593d7061d8770763ee

HOWEVER. I'm bad at programming and so far, it only functions when you select: a single set, all the sets, or as many as you want in sequence starting from sune (e.g. you can select sune, antisune, and pi. But not sune and pi or pi and U etc).
You can hide/show algs at any time. Be warned, I only put in the algs that I like because I was making this for myself. Someone might find it useful though.

 

[TDM]

The only CLL trainer I could find online was this: http://cll-trainer.blogspot.co.nz/
Which seems pretty good, but I don't like the diagrams (they force you to use a 4-sticker recognition system).

So I've started making an app, which uses Chris Olson's pics and algs, and randomly generates from the selected sets (on the left) whenever you press space.
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/1c55556e1c02d0593d7061d8770763ee

HOWEVER. I'm bad at programming and so far, it only functions when you select: a single set, all the sets, or as many as you want in sequence starting from sune (e.g. you can select sune, antisune, and pi. But not sune and pi or pi and U etc).
You can hide/show algs at any time. Be warned, I only put in the algs that I like because I was making this for myself. Someone might find it useful though.

Have you seen this?

 

[CyanSandwich]

Oh cool, haven't seen that. It's nice because you actually know whether or not you're performing the algorithm correctly.

I'll still use mine for a bit just so I can spam cases and get my recognition down. I'd say programs like mine (mine specifically is pretty flawed) are good for grinding recognition. Your link is like a test, to see if you know what you're doing.
I'll definitely be using that some time soon.

Thanks!

 

[mns112]

Which is the best Cll alg site?

 

[giorgi]

I am currently finnishing learning Cll on 2x2 . My question is how much time will it take me to get to sub-4 ? sub-3.5? sub-3? after learning Cll. I am using Ortega just now and I average around 4.5

 

[STOCKY7]

I think it took me like 2 months to be just above 4 (and there I'v stayed), but then again, I suck at 2x2 and if you practice a fair amount, I would've thought you could break 4 quite quickly.

 

[Antonie faz fan]

I am currently finnishing learning Cll on 2x2 . My question is how much time will it take me to get to sub-4 ? sub-3.5? sub-3? after learning Cll. I am using Ortega just now and I average around 4.5

you can be sub 3 with lbl......