2020 Race to sub-x on a 3x3

Ok so how can I enter

It's simple, you just need a 3x3x3 and then look the scrambles of this week and use them to scramble your cube and time yourself. Take some examples of the other people that have competed, if you see, first they put their goal, then the cube they used and finally the method they use. Below of that they put a list with the times they got from those scrambles and they also put their Ao12. And finally you can put a comment if you want.

Here I just attached you a simple example of what you could do:
 

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@MarkA64 - Goal: sub-19 (1/3)
@SpeedCuberSUB30 - Goal: sub-21 (3/3)
@Skewb_Cube - Goal: sub-15 (2/3)
@swburk - Goal: sub-28 (2/3)
@Cubing5life - Goal: sub-10 (0/3)

Congrats to everybody!!!

Here are the scrambles for Week 42 (Monday 19th of October)

Scrambles List:


1. F2 R2 D' L2 R2 D B2 R2 D2 F2 B' R2 D F U B' R D' F2 R
2. U2 L F' R D F' R' D2 L' B D2 F U2 R2 U2 F' U2 F2 U2 D2
3. R2 B L2 F2 R2 F D2 B' U2 R2 B D2 R' D' L2 R D F L B
4. F' R' B2 L2 D' B2 F2 D' U B2 D' F2 U' R F L R D' U2 B'
5. R B U' D R2 D2 R D' R' U2 D2 F D2 F2 B' L2 B2 U2 L2
6. R D B2 D R U L2 F' D' B2 D2 R2 D2 R2 B R2 F' L2 B U2
7. D B D R' F2 D' L' B R B U2 D2 F R2 D2 L2 U2 F' L2 F'
8. L2 U2 L2 R2 D' F2 D' B2 D' F2 D2 U' F' R2 B' R U' R2 B2 L B
9. L U L2 D B2 D2 R2 U' R2 U' B2 U2 R2 B' L' R B' D2 F L U2
10. U L2 B2 L2 B2 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 L U R2 F2 U' B D L2 R B'
11. L2 F2 D' F2 L2 U' F2 U2 B2 L2 U' R' B' F' U2 B R' D R'
12. F' R2 B2 L2 F2 R2 D' B2 U2 F2 L2 U' L U B2 F D' L' F R2 F'

Good luck!!! :D
 
Goal: sub-28
Cube: WRM 2020
Method: CFOP

Time List:
1. 21.96 F2 R2 D' L2 R2 D B2 R2 D2 F2 B' R2 D F U B' R D' F2 R
2. 21.76 U2 L F' R D F' R' D2 L' B D2 F U2 R2 U2 F' U2 F2 U2 D2
3. 23.81 R2 B L2 F2 R2 F D2 B' U2 R2 B D2 R' D' L2 R D F L B
4. (18.35) F' R' B2 L2 D' B2 F2 D' U B2 D' F2 U' R F L R D' U2 B'
5. 26.80 R B U' D R2 D2 R D' R' U2 D2 F D2 F2 B' L2 B2 U2 L2
6. 19.83 R D B2 D R U L2 F' D' B2 D2 R2 D2 R2 B R2 F' L2 B U2
7. 23.35 D B D R' F2 D' L' B R B U2 D2 F R2 D2 L2 U2 F' L2 F'
8. 26.79 L2 U2 L2 R2 D' F2 D' B2 D' F2 D2 U' F' R2 B' R U' R2 B2 L B
9. 20.19 L U L2 D B2 D2 R2 U' R2 U' B2 U2 R2 B' L' R B' D2 F L U2
10. (27.24) U L2 B2 L2 B2 U' R2 U2 L2 F2 L U R2 F2 U' B D L2 R B'
11. 22.98 L2 F2 D' F2 L2 U' F2 U2 B2 L2 U' R' B' F' U2 B R' D R'
12. 25.31 F' R2 B2 L2 F2 R2 D' B2 U2 F2 L2 U' L U B2 F D' L' F R2 F'

Average of 12: 23.28 (3/3)

Comments: The 18.35 was a full LL skip, but my F2L was so slow. Going for sub-20 next!
 
Week:: 42
Goal: Sub-19
Cube: Air M
Method: CFOP

1. 18.66
2. 20.48
3. [15.47]
4. 16.30
5. 20.09
6. 20.50
7. 15.79
8. 16.59
9. 16.72
10. 16.86
11. 18.35
12. [21.73]

Ao12: 18.04 Goal completed: (2/3)

Notes: Enjoyed as usual.

Thanks, Skewb_Cube!
 
Week 4
Cube: Thunderclap v3 M
Goal: Sub-20(1/3)

Ao12: 18.92

Comments: The solves were done slow but great lookahead so now I believe in 'Slow Down and Look Ahead'


Generated By csTimer on 2020-10-20
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 17.53
worst: 22.35

mean of 3
current: 19.46 (σ = 2.52)
best: 18.28 (σ = 0.87)

avg of 5
current: 18.42 (σ = 0.76)
best: 18.03 (σ = 0.29)

avg of 12
current: 18.92 (σ = 1.09)
best: 18.92 (σ = 1.09)

Average: 18.92 (σ = 1.09)
Mean: 19.09

Time List:
1. 20.46
2. 17.77
3. 18.41
4. 20.92
5. 19.11
6. 19.23
7. 18.08
8. 17.53
9. 19.23
10. 18.30
11. 17.72
12. 22.35
 
Goal: Sub-14
Cube: RS3M 2020
Method: CFOP
Comment: Just want to see if I can consistently get sub 14 for now as my times can vary wildly

Generated By csTimer on 2020-10-20
avg of 12: 13.79

Time List:
13.19, 13.78, (19.17), 15.19, 12.87, 13.92, 13.67, (12.49), 12.76, 13.94, 13.99, 14.59

AO12: 13.79 (1/3)
 
Week: 42
Goal: sub-15
Cube: Gan XS
Method: CFOP

Time List:

1.
(18.49)
2. 13.55
3. 14.62
4. 14.12
5. 13.92
6. 15.16
7. 12.47
8. 17.51
9. (11.44)
10. 13.04
11. 15.79
12. 13.68

Ao12: 14.39 (3/3)

Comment: Pretty nice, even though I probably take a while to beat my next goal (sub-14)
 
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@swburk - Goal: sub-28 (3/3)
@MarkA64 - Goal: sub-19 (2/3)
@SpeedCuberSUB30 - Goal: sub-20 (1/3)
@somecuber23 - Goal: sub-14 (1/3)
@Skewb_Cube - Goal: sub-15 (3/3)

Congrats to all of you!!! (sorry for updating this a bit late, I was a bit busy)

Here are the scrambles for Week 43 (Monday 26th of October)

Scrambles List:


1. F2 R2 B2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 F2 R2 F2 D R B F' D' R' U2 L D2
2. R2 B U2 L2 F' U2 F2 D2 U2 F' R2 B L' B D2 R D L F' D2 R2
3. F' U' B2 D R2 D U2 B2 L2 R2 D L2 B' F L' B' F U' R'
4. B2 R F' U2 L2 R2 F L2 F L2 R2 F' L2 R2 U' F L' B D L2 F2
5. U' R2 D2 R2 U2 B L2 D2 U2 B F2 D2 B' R D B' L F L' R' F
6. U L U' R' D L U B L U2 F2 R B2 L2 D2 L' F2 D2 R'
7. B2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U B2 U2 R' U R F' U F L2 F2 U
8. U B2 F2 U B2 U L2 B2 D2 B2 F' R' D F' U B' D' F R2 U2
9. U2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 D' R2 U2 L2 U L2 F L B D U' L2 F2 D
10. F2 U2 B2 L' U2 R2 U2 R U2 L U' L2 R' U R2 F D2 L' B'
11. D2 F' D2 F L2 B' U2 B U2 L2 U2 R' B L B' D R' B2 R' U L2
12. F B' U B R' U2 R' U' R2 U2 R D2 R' B2 D2 R D2 L U'

Good luck, because you'll need it... (mysterious music plays)
 
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Week 5
Cube: Thunderclap v3 M
Goal: Sub-20(2/3)

Ao12:19.94

Comments: Pulled it off again by a whisker(0.06) but I made it so :cool:



Generated By csTimer on 2020-10-27
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 17.79
worst: 22.74

mean of 3
current: 19.31 (σ = 1.33)
best: 19.02 (σ = 1.10)

avg of 5
current: 19.10 (σ = 0.97)
best: 19.10 (σ = 0.97)

avg of 12
current: 19.94 (σ = 1.13)
best: 19.94 (σ = 1.13)

Average: 19.94 (σ = 1.13)
Mean: 19.99

Time List:
1. 20.06 F2 R2 B2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 F2 R2 F2 D R B F' D' R' U2 L D2
2. 21.90 R2 B U2 L2 F' U2 F2 D2 U2 F' R2 B L' B D2 R D L F' D2 R2
3. 21.04 F' U' B2 D R2 D U2 B2 L2 R2 D L2 B' F L' B' F U' R'
4. 22.74 B2 R F' U2 L2 R2 F L2 F L2 R2 F' L2 R2 U' F L' B D L2 F2
5. 18.91 U' R2 D2 R2 U2 B L2 D2 U2 B F2 D2 B' R D B' L F L' R' F
6. 19.20 U L U' R' D L U B L U2 F2 R B2 L2 D2 L' F2 D2 R'
7. 20.77 B2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U B2 U2 R' U R F' U F L2 F2 U
8. 18.03 U B2 F2 U B2 U L2 B2 D2 B2 F' R' D F' U B' D' F R2 U2
9. 19.33 U2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 D' R2 U2 L2 U L2 F L B D U' L2 F2 D
10. 19.93 F2 U2 B2 L' U2 R2 U2 R U2 L U' L2 R' U R2 F D2 L' B'
11. 17.79 D2 F' D2 F L2 B' U2 B U2 L2 U2 R' B L B' D R' B2 R' U L2
12. 20.22 F B' U B R' U2 R' U' R2 U2 R D2 R' B2 D2 R D2 L U'
 
Week 5
Cube: Little Magic M
Goal: Sub-14 (1/3)
Comment: So unfortunately my RS3M exploded so I had to use another cube that I have which is the little magic M, which I've noticed to be a lot sturdy and heavier than the RS3M so I haven't gotten used to it yet (my inconsistency didn't help)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-10-27
avg of 12: 14.83

Time List:
15.65, 14.06, 15.22, 15.90, (17.27), (12.32), 13.42, 13.86, 14.88, 17.17, 13.98, 14.18

Ao12: 14.83
 
Goal: Sub-30
Cube: Gan 356 R S
Average of 12: 30.90
1. 26.68
2. 30.28
3. 40.64
4. 28.30
5. 27.75
6. 34.46
7. 32.52
8. 24.24
9. 31.11
10. 35.74
11. 31.71
12. 30.46

solve number 8 is a pb.
 
Week: 43
Goal: Sub-19
Cubes: Gan X
Method: CFOP

Generated by Block Keeper on Tue Oct 27 2020

Ao12: 18.52

1. 16.51 (F2 R2 B2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 F2 R2 F2 D R B F' D' R' U2 L D2)
2. 17.47 (R2 B U2 L2 F' U2 F2 D2 U2 F' R2 B L' B D2 R D L F' D2 R2)
3. 21.28 (F' U' B2 D R2 D U2 B2 L2 R2 D L2 B' F L' B' F U' R')
4. 20.92 (B2 R F' U2 L2 R2 F L2 F L2 R2 F' L2 R2 U' F L' B D L2 F2)
5. 16.63 (U' R2 D2 R2 U2 B L2 D2 U2 B F2 D2 B' R D B' L F L' R' F)
6. (16.42) (U L U' R' D L U B L U2 F2 R B2 L2 D2 L' F2 D2 R')
7. 16.81 (B2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U B2 U2 R' U R F' U F L2 F2 U)
8. (23.66) (U B2 F2 U B2 U L2 B2 D2 B2 F' R' D F' U B' D' F R2 U2)
9. 16.54 (U2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 D' R2 U2 L2 U L2 F L B D U' L2 F2 D)
10. 22.16 (F2 U2 B2 L' U2 R2 U2 R U2 L U' L2 R' U R2 F D2 L' B')
11. 19.13 (D2 F' D2 F L2 B' U2 B U2 L2 U2 R' B L B' D R' B2 R' U L2)
12. 17.75 (F B' U B R' U2 R' U' R2 U2 R D2 R' B2 D2 R D2 L U')

Goal: (3/3)

Similar to before, couple 20s. Had fun
 
Goal: sub-20
Cube: GAN 356 M
Method: CFOP

Time List:
1. 23.82 F2 R2 B2 L2 B' D2 F' L2 F2 R2 F2 D R B F' D' R' U2 L D2
2. 23.54 R2 B U2 L2 F' U2 F2 D2 U2 F' R2 B L' B D2 R D L F' D2 R2
3. (27.94) F' U' B2 D R2 D U2 B2 L2 R2 D L2 B' F L' B' F U' R'
4. 22.27 B2 R F' U2 L2 R2 F L2 F L2 R2 F' L2 R2 U' F L' B D L2 F2
5. 23.72 U' R2 D2 R2 U2 B L2 D2 U2 B F2 D2 B' R D B' L F L' R' F
6. (19.69) U L U' R' D L U B L U2 F2 R B2 L2 D2 L' F2 D2 R'
7. 25.10 B2 F2 U L2 F2 U B2 U B2 U2 R' U R F' U F L2 F2 U
8. 24.35 U B2 F2 U B2 U L2 B2 D2 B2 F' R' D F' U B' D' F R2 U2
9. 24.34 U2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 D' R2 U2 L2 U L2 F L B D U' L2 F2 D
10. 24.02 F2 U2 B2 L' U2 R2 U2 R U2 L U' L2 R' U R2 F D2 L' B'
11. 24.51 D2 F' D2 F L2 B' U2 B U2 L2 U2 R' B L B' D R' B2 R' U L2
12. 22.04 F B' U B R' U2 R' U' R2 U2 R D2 R' B2 D2 R D2 L U'

Average of 12: 23.77 (0/3)

Comments: It'll probably be a few weeks at least before I'm able to hit the sub-20 mark, but that's my goal. I'm up to about 30 OLLs now, so hopefully once I finish the rest and keep working on my F2L efficiency, I'll get there.
 
Cube: RS3M 2020
CFOP
Goal: sub 10

avg of 12: 9.83

Time List:
1. 9.32 F2 L2 B R2 B U2 B U2 F2 R2 U2 D B2 L' D' U2 R B D' B2
2. 8.82 U2 L D B U2 D' R' D' R2 L2 B2 D2 R2 L2 D' R2 U' B2 D' R
3. 10.85 F U2 R2 F R2 B L2 R2 D2 F2 L2 B' D' B' U L' B2 F D2 L2 B2
4. 10.06 D U2 F2 D F2 L2 D' L2 R2 U' L2 U' R' F R2 U R' B L U B2
5. 9.47 L D2 U2 F' L2 B U2 F2 D2 L2 U2 D' L B' U2 F D R
6. (8.50) D' R B2 L D' B' L' D R' D2 R2 F' L2 B2 D2 F' U2 F L2 F2
7. 10.60 F L2 F2 L2 B' L2 F' U2 R2 F L' U F U2 B' L U F' R2 F
8. (11.46) D' F2 U R2 U F2 D U L2 B2 F L' D2 L2 U2 B D' B R U2
9. 9.95 L B' D' L' U2 B2 L' D' R' U2 R2 D2 F2 R U2 B2 R' U2 B2 L2
10. 11.10 L2 B2 U2 L2 R2 U F2 D' R2 D R B2 F D' F2 L U2 B2 F2
11. 9.38 U B2 R2 D L2 U' R2 D' U2 R2 U L F D2 L' D' U B2 R' U'
12. 8.77 D2 L2 B2 F2 U L2 F2 D' U F U L R2 B2 F D2 B2 U

YESSS
 
@SpeedCuberSUB30 - Goal: sub-20 (2/3)
@somecuber23 - Goal: sub-14 (1/3)
@fun at the joy - Goal: sub-10 (1/3)
@KyleTheCuber - Goal: sub-30 (0/3)
@MarkA64 - Goal: sub-19 (3/3)
@swburk - Goal: sub-20 (0/3)
@Cubing5life - Goal: sub-10 (1/3)

Congrats!

Here are the scrambles for Week 44 (Monday 2nd of November)

Scramble List:


1. U2 L' B D R F L D' U2 B D2 F2 U2 B U2 B R2 U2 L2 B2
2. R' U2 B2 U' B2 U B2 F2 U F2 R2 L' U' B2 U2 L F' R' B' U'
3. F R2 D2 F D2 F' L2 B F2 U2 L2 F U L B R' D L2 B R'
4. U R2 U2 L' F2 D2 L D2 F2 R2 F2 L2 B' L R2 B D' F2 D
5. B L U2 R' B' R2 U' L2 D F2 B2 R D2 L B2 L' U2 D2 L' B2 L2
6. L B' F2 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 D' U' L B U F' R' U2 B R2
7. R F2 L2 U L2 F2 R2 B2 U' B2 U2 L2 U' R' F L2 D2 B' D B F
8. R' B2 R2 F R2 D2 U2 B' U2 L2 R2 B' R' D B R' D' L' D2
9. L U' R2 D R2 D L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 R B D2 R' U B' D R
10. R' U' B D2 R2 F2 R2 U' B2 D L2 U' R2 U' L D' F2 R2 D' F D'
11. D' R' F2 D2 B L2 D2 B' L2 U2 B' L2 B' R2 U F2 L U2 B' D R
12. D2 R L U2 B' L' F2 D R L U2 R B2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2

Good luck!
 
Goal: sub-20
Cube: RS3 M 2020
Method: CFOP

Time List:
1. (17.43) U2 L' B D R F L D' U2 B D2 F2 U2 B U2 B R2 U2 L2 B2
2. 24.58 R' U2 B2 U' B2 U B2 F2 U F2 R2 L' U' B2 U2 L F' R' B' U'
3. 28.36 F R2 D2 F D2 F' L2 B F2 U2 L2 F U L B R' D L2 B R'
4. 24.74 U R2 U2 L' F2 D2 L D2 F2 R2 F2 L2 B' L R2 B D' F2 D
5. 23.55 B L U2 R' B' R2 U' L2 D F2 B2 R D2 L B2 L' U2 D2 L' B2 L2
6. 23.41 L B' F2 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 D' U' L B U F' R' U2 B R2
7. 24.18 R F2 L2 U L2 F2 R2 B2 U' B2 U2 L2 U' R' F L2 D2 B' D B F
8. 21.30 R' B2 R2 F R2 D2 U2 B' U2 L2 R2 B' R' D B R' D' L' D2
9. 23.99 L U' R2 D R2 D L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 R B D2 R' U B' D R
10. 23.32 R' U' B D2 R2 F2 R2 U' B2 D L2 U' R2 U' L D' F2 R2 D' F D'
11. 23.66 D' R' F2 D2 B L2 D2 B' L2 U2 B' L2 B' R2 U F2 L U2 B' D R
12. (29.28) D2 R L U2 B' L' F2 D R L U2 R B2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2

Average of 12: 24.11 (0/3)

Comments: I had a really great session right before doing this average with a 19.78 ao5 and a PB 16.70 single, so I was hoping for a sub-23 average for this. Oh well. Maybe next week.
 
Week: 44
Goal: Sub-18
Cubes: 354 M V2, QiYi MS and Valk Power M

1. 16.88
2. 20.41
3. [20.26]
4. 17.93
5. 17.50
6. 14.32
7. 15.64
8. 16.99
9. 19.39
10. 20.15
11. 14.88
12. [14.18]

Ao12: 17.39 (1/3)

Nice!
 
Week 5
Cube: Thunderclap v3 M
Goal: Sub-20(3/3)

Ao12:19.10

Comments: Sub-19 I am coming for you


Generated By csTimer on 2020-11-03
solves/total: 12/12

single
best: 15.42
worst: 22.14

mean of 3
current: 20.03 (σ = 1.86)
best: 17.44 (σ = 3.21)

avg of 5
current: 20.50 (σ = 1.20)
best: 17.64 (σ = 2.43)

avg of 12
current: 19.10 (σ = 2.07)
best: 19.10 (σ = 2.07)

Average: 19.10 (σ = 2.07)
Mean: 19.05

Time List:
1. 17.39 U2 L' B D R F L D' U2 B D2 F2 U2 B U2 B R2 U2 L2 B2
2. 18.47 R' U2 B2 U' B2 U B2 F2 U F2 R2 L' U' B2 U2 L F' R' B' U'
3. 21.41 F R2 D2 F D2 F' L2 B F2 U2 L2 F U L B R' D L2 B R'
4. 15.75 U R2 U2 L' F2 D2 L D2 F2 R2 F2 L2 B' L R2 B D' F2 D
5. 21.14 B L U2 R' B' R2 U' L2 D F2 B2 R D2 L B2 L' U2 D2 L' B2 L2
6. 15.42 L B' F2 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 D' U' L B U F' R' U2 B R2
7. 16.78 R F2 L2 U L2 F2 R2 B2 U' B2 U2 L2 U' R' F L2 D2 B' D B F
8. 20.38 R' B2 R2 F R2 D2 U2 B' U2 L2 R2 B' R' D B R' D' L' D2
9. 21.76 L U' R2 D R2 D L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 R B D2 R' U B' D R
10. 18.60 R' U' B D2 R2 F2 R2 U' B2 D L2 U' R2 U' L D' F2 R2 D' F D'
11. 22.14 D' R' F2 D2 B L2 D2 B' L2 U2 B' L2 B' R2 U F2 L U2 B' D R
12. 19.36 D2 R L U2 B' L' F2 D R L U2 R B2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2



Goal: sub-20
Cube: RS3 M 2020
Method: CFOP

Time List:
1. (17.43) U2 L' B D R F L D' U2 B D2 F2 U2 B U2 B R2 U2 L2 B2
2. 24.58 R' U2 B2 U' B2 U B2 F2 U F2 R2 L' U' B2 U2 L F' R' B' U'
3. 28.36 F R2 D2 F D2 F' L2 B F2 U2 L2 F U L B R' D L2 B R'
4. 24.74 U R2 U2 L' F2 D2 L D2 F2 R2 F2 L2 B' L R2 B D' F2 D
5. 23.55 B L U2 R' B' R2 U' L2 D F2 B2 R D2 L B2 L' U2 D2 L' B2 L2
6. 23.41 L B' F2 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 D' U' L B U F' R' U2 B R2
7. 24.18 R F2 L2 U L2 F2 R2 B2 U' B2 U2 L2 U' R' F L2 D2 B' D B F
8. 21.30 R' B2 R2 F R2 D2 U2 B' U2 L2 R2 B' R' D B R' D' L' D2
9. 23.99 L U' R2 D R2 D L2 D' L2 B2 D' B2 R B D2 R' U B' D R
10. 23.32 R' U' B D2 R2 F2 R2 U' B2 D L2 U' R2 U' L D' F2 R2 D' F D'
11. 23.66 D' R' F2 D2 B L2 D2 B' L2 U2 B' L2 B' R2 U F2 L U2 B' D R
12. (29.28) D2 R L U2 B' L' F2 D R L U2 R B2 R2 U2 F2 U2 R2

Average of 12: 24.11 (0/3)

Comments: I had a really great session right before doing this average with a 19.78 ao5 and a PB 16.70 single, so I was hoping for a sub-23 average for this. Oh well. Maybe next week.

Go for sub-25 don't go for sub-20

Week: 44
Goal: Sub-18
Cubes: 354 M V2, QiYi MS and Valk Power M

1. 16.88
2. 20.41
3. [20.26]
4. 17.93
5. 17.50
6. 14.32
7. 15.64
8. 16.99
9. 19.39
10. 20.15
11. 14.88
12. [14.18]

Ao12: 17.39 (1/3)

Nice!
Why 3 cubes?
 
Week 5
Cube: Little Magic M
Method: CFOP
Goal: Sub-14 (1/3)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-11-04
avg of 12: 14.07(1/3)

Time List:
14.59, (12.34), 15.30, 15.18, 12.72, 14.27, 12.52, 15.00, 14.56, 13.82, (17.69), 12.72

Turns out I'm not consistent nor good enough yet
 
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