[Help Thread] Algorithm Memorization Discussion

[KongShou]

i dont do anything special

i just repeat the alg a few times and ive pretty much got it. but if i learn too many at once i get confused over recognition.

 

[ChickenWrap]

Easy to memorize PLL algs?

I am HORRIBLE at memorizing PLL algs...so does anyone have any easy ones to memorize? For example, (r D' r' U2)*5 is an Na perm.

Please help!! I already know the corner and edge only algs, and the J, T and Y perms.

 

[Lazy Einstein]

What algs do you know now?

 

[ChickenWrap]

What algs do you know now?

I already know the corner and edge only algs, and the J, T and Y perms.

Meaning the H, U, Z, A, E, J, T, and Y.

 

[TeddyKGB]

Learning easy to memorize algs isn't the best idea, you'll just end up changing to a better alg sometime down the road. It's best to just learn algs that can be executed quickly regardless of how easy they are to learn because to be honest, even the hardest algs to memorize don't really take that long and it's much more beneficial to you to know fast algs over easy algs.

 

[ChickenWrap]

Learning easy to memorize algs isn't the best idea, you'll just end up changing to a better alg sometime down the road. It's best to just learn algs that can be executed quickly regardless of how easy they are to learn because to be honest, even the hardest algs to memorize don't really take that long and it's much more beneficial to you to know fast algs over easy algs.

That makes sense, but I cannot figure out how x, y, and z turns work (which is stupid since I am in Calc 3 and we use 3-dimensional space denoted by x, y and z)....therefore, I cannot figure out how the algorithms work and always mess them up!

 

[Phillip1847]

x y z correspond to R U F.
Xylophone Rhythms , You Understand, Zero Four.
x is like doing R, but to the whole cube, for example.

 

[stormskater216]

That makes sense, but I cannot figure out how x, y, and z turns work (which is stupid since I am in Calc 3 and we use 3-dimensional space denoted by x, y and z)....therefore, I cannot figure out how the algorithms work and always mess them up!

Here is badmephisto's notation page. It should help.
http://www.badmephisto.com/notation.html

 

[Renslay]

That makes sense, but I cannot figure out how x, y, and z turns work (which is stupid since I am in Calc 3 and we use 3-dimensional space denoted by x, y and z)....therefore, I cannot figure out how the algorithms work and always mess them up!

You can also use alg.garron.us to show you a certain algorithm.
Here is an example.

 

[bryanphillips]

hello, connecting a corner and an edge together to fit into your first 2 layers can help you a lot.

 

[UB]

By tracking F2L pairs on the Cube
For Example for Rb perm, I track F2L pairs and do it intuitively

 

[Nilsibert]

Is it feasible to get decent at CLL on 2x2 until end of march?

I'm good at H, Pi I recognize most pretty fast, others not or after a little while. I also learned a few T's.
The problem is that most algs are really easy to learn, which leads to me trying to learn a few at once. But when a case shows up(not every case obviously), I freeze. Or I mix up algs(using a Pi alg for a T case for instance)

How should I go about this?

 

[tx789]

Is it feasible to get decent at CLL on 2x2 until end of march?

I'm good at H, Pi I recognize most pretty fast, others not or after a little while. I also learned a few T's.
The problem is that most algs are really easy to learn, which leads to me trying to learn a few at once. But when a case shows up(not every case obviously), I freeze. Or I mix up algs(using a Pi alg for a T case for instance)

How should I go about this?

Practise. Do a few thousand solves. Get the cases right. Do some untimed solves to get better at the cases you are poor with. By decent what do you mean sub 4? Sub 3? What is your current average.

 

[Nilsibert]

Practise. Do a few thousand solves. Get the cases right. Do some untimed solves to get better at the cases you are poor with. By decent what do you mean sub 4? Sub 3? What is your current average.

Thanks. Decent for me would be Sub 4. Although I would be happy to consistently be sub 5. Right now I average between 5.xx up to 8.xx using CLL, and if I don't know the case, I'll LBL the rest of it. Ocassionally I'll use ortega, but only in rare easy situations. I always hated ortega though :/
Should I, for instance, concentrate on the Pi set? For example, I could write learning cards. One side shows the case, the other side show the alg. I feel like by doing solves(timed or untimed), the gap between getting a case I should know and one that I simply don't is too big to correctly remember the algs. I mostly stare at it until it comes to my mind eventually, or I'll look on my sheet. Both ways, it doesn't seem to sink in since it's more like that -"ah of course"*forgets it again*- situation I find myself in.


BTW the reason I want to get decent until end of march is that I'll go to my first competition then, and that got me into 2x2(never really cared before). I don't want to win, or be one of the best. I also wouldn't expect to get good times at the comp, compared to at home. But it would be awesome to consistently use CLL, so I don't get solve times all over the place, ranging from 2-3 seconds to over 10 seconds.

 

[kcl]

Thanks. Decent for me would be Sub 4. Although I would be happy to consistently be sub 5. Right now I average between 5.xx up to 8.xx using CLL, and if I don't know the case, I'll LBL the rest of it. Ocassionally I'll use ortega, but only in rare easy situations. I always hated ortega though :/
Should I, for instance, concentrate on the Pi set? For example, I could write learning cards. One side shows the case, the other side show the alg. I feel like by doing solves(timed or untimed), the gap between getting a case I should know and one that I simply don't is too big to correctly remember the algs. I mostly stare at it until it comes to my mind eventually, or I'll look on my sheet. Both ways, it doesn't seem to sink in since it's more like that -"ah of course"*forgets it again*- situation I find myself in.


BTW the reason I want to get decent until end of march is that I'll go to my first competition then, and that got me into 2x2(never really cared before). I don't want to win, or be one of the best. I also wouldn't expect to get good times at the comp, compared to at home. But it would be awesome to consistently use CLL, so I don't get solve times all over the place, ranging from 2-3 seconds to over 10 seconds.

The best way to do it is first learn full CLL. Then, practice. A lot. I had the same issue with remembering case for the alg, it goes away with time. Just solve

 

[WhatIsRubiks]

I am terrible at memorizing things. I have a learning disability in my short term memory BUT I have developed a method to memorizing algs. I normally start on my preferred layer (white) and then when I am doing the algs, I follow the white pieces. After I can do it without looking at the alg all the time, but still having to follow the white pieces, I then switch to doing it without looking...Eventually I can do it from any side and with ease. It becomes a muscle memory rather then actually remembering the algorithm.

It think people just have to figure out their own methods and what works for them.

 

[Nilsibert]

The best way to do it is first learn full CLL. Then, practice. A lot. I had the same issue with remembering case for the alg, it goes away with time. Just solve

It seems to slowly work. I finally got the Pi set down(started learning it weeks ago), H is no problem, T I'm almost there, still sometimes freeze at 2 or 3. Right now I'm learning the L and U sets. I think I can get "decent" at CLL in time, but I'm not looking forward to Sune/Anti-Sune :/

 

[kcl]

It seems to slowly work. I finally got the Pi set down(started learning it weeks ago), H is no problem, T I'm almost there, still sometimes freeze at 2 or 3. Right now I'm learning the L and U sets. I think I can get "decent" at CLL in time, but I'm not looking forward to Sune/Anti-Sune :/

They aren't as bad as they seem. The trick is trying to predict the SET you'll get during inspection. You don't have to worry about the actual case. Just knowing which set helps your recognition be way faster.

 

[UB]

Can CLL be used on a 3x3 cube ?? and 4x4 ?

 

[TDM]

Can CLL be used on a 3x3 cube ?? and 4x4 ?

2x2 CLL can't; COLL can be used on 3x3 and above. Many people use it to force EPLLs, which are not only easy on bigcubes but also makes PLL parity easier to recognise.