When you do roux are you usually color neutral?

Some people are x2/y2/z2 color neutral. So they might do either red/orange left/right, green/blue front/back, and white/yellow up/down. Others, like me are x2/y/z2 or y-axis neutral. So like always white/yellow top/bottom but any of the remaining colors for blocks. I think those are the most common for speedsolving.
 
Some people are x2/y2/z2 color neutral. So they might do either red/orange left/right, green/blue front/back, and white/yellow up/down. Others, like me are x2/y/z2 or y-axis neutral. So like always white/yellow top/bottom but any of the remaining colors for blocks. I think those are the most common for speedsolving.
I'm x2y (you don't really need to say z2 because you can do z2 using x2 and y) neutral too, when I use Roux. x2y neutral is really easy for many methods, including Roux, CFOP and ZZ (although you only really need y axis neutrality with ZZ).
 
easy scramble: U' L R2 U L U D2 L D2 L2 D2 U2 F' R U R' L F U F' R F2 B R2 L2
y' x
FB: r' U2 R' F
SB: U' r U r2 U' M U2 r U R' U' M2 U2 R' U r (Kinda wasted the good first block)
CMLL: U2 U' x U R' U' L U2 r U2 r'
LSE: U' M U' M' U' M' U' M2 U2 M2 U' M U2 M' U2 M2
Time: 8.86

Good job!

By the way, your solution is not working (somewhere in SB).
 
Haha. That was an easy solve.
48/8.86 = 5.19 tps. Wow.

One reason I am slow is because of my tps. I can rarely sup-3 the whole solve. Any ideas how to improve it?

thanks, I usually average around 4 tps but for this one I planed some of my second block.

Planning the first block helps, try to transition smoothly between steps, make a concious effort to lower the pauses between FB and SB, SB and CMLL, and CMll and LSE. Just doing practice will help alg speed.
 
Did mo20s for LSE. Was going to do mo25 but ran out of time.

1.65-2.64-1.93
EO-UL/UR-Finish
So 6.22 mo20. Probably would have gotten lower mean with more solves. Started doing better toward the end.

Usually get to lse by 15. Then usually a 6 second lse. Any tips? A lot of the UL/UR is recognition. Then the finish is mostly just fuuuu recognition and transition.
 
Did mo20s for LSE. Was going to do mo25 but ran out of time.

1.65-2.64-1.93
EO-UL/UR-Finish
So 6.22 mo20. Probably would have gotten lower mean with more solves. Started doing better toward the end.

Usually get to lse by 15. Then usually a 6 second lse. Any tips? A lot of the UL/UR is recognition. Then the finish is mostly just fuuuu recognition and transition.

For UL and UR, let's say your two block colors are red and orange, so I would just track the red and orange stickers since they are the only "block" pieces left unsolved. Not sure if that made sense. I could post an example woth annotations if that would help.
 
For UL and UR, let's say your two block colors are red and orange, so I would just track the red and orange stickers since they are the only "block" pieces left unsolved. Not sure if that made sense. I could post an example woth annotations if that would help.

Yeah I think I know what you mean. So like
U M2 U M U2 M2 U2 M' U2 M U M U2 M U M U' M' U M2 U' M' U' M2 U
U M' U M' U' (I see them at LU and UF) M U' (to pair) M / U2 M2 / U' M' U2 M' U2 M2

Ugh. Learning sune cmll is annoying. I hate recognition.

Edit: Wait Lubix's recognition method is awesome.
 
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Uhh, I'm not sure I'm following your example, so I'll just post mine. Gimme a minute.

Edit: here's the example

Scramble with yellow on top and blue on front: U M U M' U' M U' M' U M' U' M' U' M U' M' U' M U' M' U' M U M U2

EO: M2 U' M' U M //I did M because I saw the red sticker on FU and the orange sticker on UL. I only need to look for these red and orange stickers because, as you can see, they are the only pieces needed to finish the left and right sides and therefore would be the only unsolved pieces with these colors.

UL/UR: U M' U2 M //Pretty self explanatory, but again, I did the M because I was tracking the red sticker
THE REST: U M' U2 M'
 
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Uhh, I'm not sure I'm following your example, so I'll just post mine. Gimme a minute.

Ok. I didn't really get what you meant.

The UL/UR should be just as fast as EO, maybe even faster, try practicing doing the whole step as fast as you can blindfolded after the EO and once you've found where the pieces are. Then move on to look ahead during EO.

Are you saying EO+UL/UR blindfolded? Or just EO? I can do EO easily without having to think. It's basically like doing an algorithm it is just automatic.
 
I want to start learning Roux but I feel like I won't get good at it

So to my surprise, the results yielded when I searched the topic were very minimal so I must ask it here.
Anyway I wanted to know if Roux would be a good method to learn, I would like to get faster with any method and right now I am using Fredrich.
I've thought about it in my head and Roux seems slower as a whole since you have to block build than solve corners and than edges but for CFOP it seems simpler in the number of steps. However I have a lot of fun playing around with Roux so I think I will start learning it, but if I do is there a good way to go about it.
Right now I build the 2 blocks than orient the corners like I would for Fredrich and than use M and U to solve the last bit. I think that is right but how could I conveniently practice building blocks faster because that part is the part that drags me down. Or should I just stick with Fredrich for a while longer?
 
The sooner you change, the easier it will be. I can't give you advice on Roux as I don't use it (there are some highly competent Roux users on these forums whom I'm sure will be happy to give you advice anyway). I just recommend you get to practising it more asap. If you think the change will be permanent, the last thing you want to do is get in habits which are contrary to your goals.

tl;dr roux moar nao
 
There are plenty of fast Roux solvers like Waffle, 5BLD, Kirjava, etc. In the beginning, you will seem slower because you will be new to blockbuilding and restricted movement in the second block. Also, compared to CFOP, Roux solvers are sometimes said to have to think more, which sounds right, but I'm not completely sure. This can also lead to some initial sluggish times. There is also a smaller amount of algs to learn for CO (this only applies to complete barebones Roux), the alg set being named CMLL and containing 42 compared to 57 for OLL and 21 for PLL in CFOP. You can even get away with sub-20 times (like me) with 2-Look CMLL in which you use algs you already know from CFOP experience to solve each CMLL case with two algs.

For block building, I think many others will agree with me in saying that good blocks come with practice and experience as you learn new tricks and different ways around the cube that normally aren't utilized as frequently in CFOP. eg.,(M and E moves etc.) When I first started Roux, my blocks were terrible and I was a sup 40 solver. But after a couple of weeks of keeping a low movecount, efficient insertions, and finger tricky second block, a was able to drop my times to sub-30, which I had already previously achieved with CFOP. Now a couple months later, I'm sub-20 and the only thing holding me back from sub-15 is full CMLL and a little blockbuilding. From this you can see how improving your blocks is like trying to bail using a bucket with no bottom, A CONSTANT BATTLE that is very hard to win.
 
Ok so say I was going to go through learning Roux, would I still be able to get better at my Fredrich too because a few people have said that I either learn one or the other but can I alternate?
 
When practicing block building, always aim for minimalizing the number of turns. Try different movements, note how those turns affect the block pieces (just when you practiced cross anno). Learn the basic concepts for block buildings. Lars's has good examples on his site:
http://lar5.com/cube/fas1.html
http://lar5.com/cube/blox.html
http://lar5.com/cube/fas2.html
Although those are for Petrus, that method is also about block buildings in the first steps.

Roux himself has good examples for second blocks:
http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Step_2.html
You don't have to memorize those tables, just like you don't have to memorize F2L algorithms. You just have to understood them.

And most of all, examine fast Roux solvers' reconstructions. Here are a few examples from Alexander Lau:
http://cubesolv.es/?solver=Alexander+Lau&competition=&puzzle=&time-specifier=&time-value=&tags=

If you work with different colors as him, rotate the cube before the scramble so those particular blocks will have the same colors as yours.

Edit:
Compare your movement breakdown to others. First block should be around 6-11 moves. So, if you have a solution with 15 moves, you have to work more on that. A 12 move solution is okay (maybe could be better). Second block should be around 12-18 moves, I'm not sure. But 25 is definitely too much for example.
 
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Ok so say I was going to go through learning Roux, would I still be able to get better at my Fredrich too because a few people have said that I either learn one or the other but can I alternate?

There's no reason you can't. It just depends on how much time you want to invest in cubing.
 
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