[Help Thread] Roux Discussion and Help

GuRoux said:
CMLL is pretty fast for not full one look, definitely finish learning them.

your weakest step is the second block, but you should most work on first two block.

I would do some slow solves or look at reconstructions/example solves of the first two blocks to try to decrease move count. with slow turning, look ahead will develop naturally.
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Cmll might be a little slower. But averages out. I know all H's, 4 Pi's, can do all 6 L's but recognition is bad, I know 4 U's, 3 T's, and sune and niklas. So I have 15 to learn plus need to optimize/learn better recognition.

Ok. I figured my blocks are bad. I'll work on them. Later I might post a couple solves for critique.

Edit: Can someone critique this?

F2 L2 D2 F R2 B U2 R2 F2 R2 F L R' D' R D' U' R F L' F

z2 R B F D' U M2 F' [7/7] pretty easy
R U r' U' R U R U2 r' U' r / U' M' U R U' R' U R U' R' [20/27] inefficient but pretty fast to execute
U R U R' U R U2 R' [8/35] lol. Easiest cmll
U2 M' U M U M' U M' / M' U2 M' U M2 U / M' U2 M' U2 M2 [19/54] not bad. would be like 4-5 seconds.

So pretty average solve.
 
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TheNextFeliks said:
Cmll might be a little slower. But averages out. I know all H's, 4 Pi's, can do all 6 L's but recognition is bad, I know 4 U's, 3 T's, and sune and niklas. So I have 15 to learn plus need to optimize/learn better recognition.

Ok. I figured my blocks are bad. I'll work on them. Later I might post a couple solves for critique.

Edit: Can someone critique this?

F2 L2 D2 F R2 B U2 R2 F2 R2 F L R' D' R D' U' R F L' F

z2 R B F D' U M2 F' [7/7] pretty easy
R U r' U' R U R U2 r' U r / U' M' U R U' R' U R U' R' [20/27] inefficient but pretty fast to execute
U R U R' U R U2 R' [8/35] lol. Easiest cmll
U2 M' U M U M' U M' / M' U2 M' U M2 U / M' U2 M' U2 M2 [19/54] not bad. would be like 4-5 seconds.

So pretty average solve.
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I think you messed up with the moves somewhere.
The second block doesn't look bad but it is high in movecount, try to average 15-18 moves for now. Once in a while you might get a 20 move second block but make sure your usual is well below that.
 
GuRoux said:
I think you messed up with the moves somewhere.
The second block doesn't look bad but it is high in movecount, try to average 15-18 moves for now. Once in a while you might get a 20 move second block but make sure your usual is well below that.
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Fixed it. I probably average 16 for 2nd block and 10 for first depending on the solve.
 
Another solve for critique. I've been practicing a lot for the past five days. I know all Pi and H and am learning the T's today.
R2 B2 L F' R' D' B' U' D2 B' U2 R2 B2 U R2 U' F2 U' F2 D2

y' x' L2 D M' D U' R2 U' R' U B2 [10/10] No great starts
U2 r' U' r U R' U R2 U' R / U M' U2 R U' R' [16/26] Kinda bad but fine
U F U' L' U R2 U' L U R' Lw' U' x' [12/38] Lol. Learning this alg right before
M' U M' U M' U M U M / U M' U2 M' U2 M2 [15/53] I saw that it would force the UL + UR skip

Pretty average. Any tips? And any general tips? What is a good order for CMLL?
 
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For CMLL I've been picking whichever I think is my worst OCLL case and learning that set next. I'm also leaving sunes for last because they're supposed to be pretty bad algs.

Also I timed real splits as well, Ao25 using cTimer.

First block: 3.59
Second Block: 7.07
CMLL: 4.16
LSE: 5.40
Total: 20.30

Should I work on second block or LSE?
 
TheOneOnTheLeft said:
For CMLL I've been picking whichever I think is my worst OCLL case and learning that set next. I'm also leaving sunes for last because they're supposed to be pretty bad algs.

Also I timed real splits as well, Ao25 using cTimer.

First block: 3.59
Second Block: 7.07
CMLL: 4.16
LSE: 5.40
Total: 20.30

Should I work on second block or LSE?
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sune algs arnt too bad. there are a few that i hate, but for the most part they can be done pretty quickly.
if i were you, i would work on the second block.
 
TheNextFeliks said:
Another solve for critique. I've been practicing a lot for the past five days. I know all Pi and H and am learning the T's today.
R2 B2 L F' R' D' B' U' D2 B' U2 R2 B2 U R2 U' F2 U' F2 D2

L2 D M' D U' R2 U' R' U B2 [10/10] No great starts
U2 r' U' r U R' U R2 U' R / U M' U2 R U' R' [16/26] Kinda bad but fine
U F U' L' U R2 U' L U R' Lw' U' x' [12/38] Lol. Learning this alg right before
M' U M' U M' U M U M / U M' U2 M' U2 M2 [15/53] I saw that it would force the UL + UR skip

Pretty average. Any tips? And any general tips? What is a good order for CMLL?
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Lol, at this rate, you're gonna finish learning CMLL before me! :D

anyway,
Uh, I'm assuming your scrambling with green on front white on top, and your solution isn't working. Perhaps you forget to include inspection?...either way, I'll just show you what I'd do (haha still pretty bad).
INSPEC: z
FB: (What I'm about to do is really terrible and completely breaks the standard of Roux's efficiency, however, it's pretty fast and you should be able to execute it quickly)
U2 D' M L2 D' U SEXY R U2 B
SB: U' R U' r' U' r U' r U SEXY TWICE r U R' (Pretty bad again)
CMLL: (U') R' U R2 D Rw' U2 Rw D' R2' U' R
LSE: U M' U M' U M U M U2 M' U2 M' U M2 U M U2 M' U2 M2

Overall, this was a pretty bad scramble, but I think one can make up for it in speed because of all the stupid sexy moves in my solution. I tried it and got a 17.68 however, this might not be all to valid since I already knew how the solve would turn out

And for CMLL tips, I learned H first, then U, then almost all of Pi, working on it though, also since you're mainly a CFOP solver (right?) figure out what case your 2-Look OLL algs solve.
 
TheNextFeliks said:
What is a good order for CMLL?
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3/4 H cases are easy. One is double antisune, one is F triple sexy F', and one is Sune Niklas. U cases are also easy; three of them are variations of R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R, one of them is two sunes, one is F sexy F' and the other one can be done as Y perm with F2 for the first/last move (although that isn't the best alg, it's an easy one to learn). I'd learn those sets first as they aren't too difficult to learn, and after them you have 12/42 learned. Also learn which T case is 2-gen (alg is antisune from front then back) so you don't do the normal OCLL when you could have an easy CMLL.
 
CheesecakeCuber said:
Lol, at this rate, you're gonna finish learning CMLL before me! :D

anyway,
Uh, I'm assuming your scrambling with green on front white on top, and your solution isn't working. Perhaps you forget to include inspection?...either way, I'll just show you what I'd do (haha still pretty bad).
INSPEC: z
FB: (What I'm about to do is really terrible and completely breaks the standard of Roux's efficiency, however, it's pretty fast and you should be able to execute it quickly)
U2 D' M L2 D' U SEXY R U2 B
SB: U' R U' r' U' r U' r U SEXY TWICE r U R' (Pretty bad again)
CMLL: (U') R' U R2 D Rw' U2 Rw D' R2' U' R
LSE: U M' U M' U M U M U2 M' U2 M' U M2 U M U2 M' U2 M2

Overall, this was a pretty bad scramble, but I think one can make up for it in speed because of all the stupid sexy moves in my solution. I tried it and got a 17.68 however, this might not be all to valid since I already knew how the solve would turn out

And for CMLL tips, I learned H first, then U, then almost all of Pi, working on it though, also since you're mainly a CFOP solver (right?) figure out what case your 2-Look OLL algs solve.
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Oh yeah. I'll check it and fix it. I have used OLL algorithms for a couple OCLLs. I think I am going to learn sunes next cause I feel like I get them a lot.
 
GuRoux said:
the solutions is not bad, i like the way you did your first block again, but i think in the last example you gave it was the same idea (the m slice to pair then a d move), might just be a coincidence but try to mix it up.
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Hmm. Well it was just a coincidence I guess. I don't usually do it like that.

Yay! 3/7 CMLL done! Finished T's.
 
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