[Help Thread] Square-1 Discussion

[Jokerman5656]

Then learn the algs on this page. Most of them are simple but very useful. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar8qWvkExSGqdDJ4MnFfaFJWLXVnLTY0aTk4SzhIUlE#gid=0

If you need any help with them I can probably help considering they are all in my head. Some of the case i know though are kinda just knowing which way to hold it then applying adj-adj then solving an easier case. Or something like that.

 

[vcuber13]

I actually learned from a website that is no longer around

what one?

 

[sk8erman41]

Is my square-1 stickered incorrectly? I just got a cubetwist square-1 and am trying to follow along with Andrew Nelsons tutorial, but am way confused about the color patterns. My color scheme is the same as in his tutorial, however instead of "I have the standard western (BOY) color scheme with white on top and red on front, and I hold the small side of the middle layer on the left hand side." like in his tutorial, when I hold the cube in this position, the large portion of the middle layer is on the left hand side. I'm trying to wrap my brain around this and the only thing I can think of is that my yellow and whites need to switch and my green and blues need to switch in order to match the tutorial. Am I just reading the tutorial incorrectly, or is my cube mis-stickered?

 

[vcuber13]

there is no standard sq1 colour scheme. Is yours BOY or something else?

 

[sk8erman41]

BOY. Color scheme matches his but size of pieces do not

 

[Bh13]

First off, I think by -1,0/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/ you mean 0,-1/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/ right?

Yes, sorry about that, I'm not used to using Sq-1 notation.

Well if you want, you could try the advanced method for cubeshape. In my opinion, it's not much harder than the beginner method for cubeshape. I learned it from here by David Woner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr0b3ffI1k
I also have a tutorial that I made on CubingWorld for Advanced Cubeshape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3KzTwitLI

Thanks, this helped a lot!

For Edge Orientation, try this alg: 1,0/3,0/3,0/-1,-1/-2,1/-3,0/ . It preserves Corner Permutation so you can look ahead into the next step.

What your alg for the R-Perm? I never really heard of using the R-Perm for PLL. Also, your description kinda made it sound like you cram both Corner Permutation and Edge Permutation in one step.

I have two R-perms, both are double layer. One is a Z-perm on one layer and an R-perm on the other, and the other is a double R-perm. The Algs. are: 1,0/3,0/-3,0/3,0/-3,0/ that's the R and Z, the double R is: -1,0/-3,0/-3,-3/-3,0/.

I use these two algs for CP, and then I use the three EP algs I know to finish. So I use two seperate steps for corner and edge perms.

There are some vital EP's everyone Square-1 solver should know: (M2 just means 1,0/-1,-1/0,1)
Opp-opp: M2 U2 M2
CwU-CwU: 1,0/5,-1/-3,0/1,1/-3,0/
CcwU-CcwU: 1,0/3,0/-1,-1/3,0/-5,1/
There are much more I can't think of right on the top of my head.

Thanks, These are really helpful.

And finally, what's your parity alg? Let me know if you have any questions

/3,0/1,-4,/4,2/-3,0/6,0/-4,0/-2,0/-4,-2/2,1,/3,3/ and then for orientation I use -1,0/-5,1/-3,0/

The 6,0/ in the middle isn't neccisary, but I do it because it makes the orientation way easier.

Thanks for all the help! Hopefully I can get sub minute soon!

 

[vcuber13]

oh, i forgot, for some reason sq1s are normally stickered so white is on the bottom. andrew likely restickered his. hold it so white is on the bottom and yellow on the top.

 

[sk8erman41]

Yeah, thanks. That is what I figured. It just makes following the diagrams more difficult because then I also have to switch blue/green in my mind also but I'll get it. Thanks

 

[Egide]

Hey guys, try out these Parity algorithms l've found (haven't seen them here yet). l inverted the normal algorithms
Adj on D Layer: /-3,0/4,-1/2,0/-2,0/0,4/0,-2/2,0/0,2/3,0/-3,0/3,0/0,-3/3,0
Opp on D Layer: 0,-1/-2,-2/2,0/-3,-3/3,0/-1,-1/-2,0/2,2/0,2/-2,-2/0,1/3,3/

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Does anyone have an adj-adj alg that flips the middle layer?

 

[brandbest1]

Does anyone have an adj-adj alg that flips the middle layer?

-2,0/3,0/-1,-1/4,1/6,0/

 

[blade740]

Is my square-1 stickered incorrectly? I just got a cubetwist square-1 and am trying to follow along with Andrew Nelsons tutorial, but am way confused about the color patterns. My color scheme is the same as in his tutorial, however instead of "I have the standard western (BOY) color scheme with white on top and red on front, and I hold the small side of the middle layer on the left hand side." like in his tutorial, when I hold the cube in this position, the large portion of the middle layer is on the left hand side. I'm trying to wrap my brain around this and the only thing I can think of is that my yellow and whites need to switch and my green and blues need to switch in order to match the tutorial. Am I just reading the tutorial incorrectly, or is my cube mis-stickered?
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Just pop off both center caps and switch them. Then do /6,6/, and your puzzle is flipped.

Does anyone have an adj-adj alg that flips the middle layer?

-2,0/3,0/-1,-1/4,1/6,0/

I use the mirror of yours:
0,2/-3,0/1,1/-4,-1/6,0/

And also this one in the back:
0,2/0,3/0,6/1,-5/-1,2/

 

[Joey VOV]

I actually really really like Square 1. I just started solving it and average a bit over a minute using a modified version of roux that I kinda just threw together watching john brechon's tutorial. My Pb is 28.xx off of a really easy scramble that I put in that easy scramble thread. I get the cube shape, the 2 roux blocks, then solve the bottom layer completely then I do cp, then ep with u perms. and I know the parity that swaps 2 adj edges if I need it. am I wasting my time solving it like this? I think I am just slow because my cube shape takes a while, sometimes i use 2 u perms to solve the last layer, and I do not practice much because scrambling takes foreeevvvveeerrrr and hand scrambling is always too easy and I feel like I am cheating myself. How should I go about getting faster? weather it be learning more algs, or just practicing more, etc.

 

[ScottTheCuber]

Sq-1 HELP!

How would i do this move!
(1,0)
or
(0,-1)
and

(4,0)
(0,-4)
(Vice Versa)
Yes there is no /!

2 Any help on and Pll, Corner,and Square making websites/tips?

Thanks,
Scott

 

[brandbest1]

I need a better Adj-W alg. I currently use 0,-1/0,-3/1,1/0,-3/0,3/-1,-1/0,3/ . This alg pisses me off every time I try to execute it.

 

[Lid]

I need a better Adj-W alg. I currently use 0,-1/0,-3/1,1/0,-3/0,3/-1,-1/0,3/ . This alg pisses me off every time I try to execute it.

/3,-3/3,-3/2,0/0,-3/1,1/2,-1/3,-3/ - no clue if it's better

 

[brandbest1]

/3,-3/3,-3/2,0/0,-3/1,1/2,-1/3,-3/ - no clue if it's better

Lol I don't really like it as much as the previous one, but thanks

(sq1optim right?)

 

[Jokerman5656]

I need a better Adj-W alg. I currently use 0,-1/0,-3/1,1/0,-3/0,3/-1,-1/0,3/ . This alg pisses me off every time I try to execute it.

I don't really have an alg for you but if you do adj-adj on the adj and opposite colors of the W it goes into Z perm, and it's easy to cancel in between

 

[MTGjumper]

I use the same alg Brandon. I don't mind it, by adjusting middle layer is awkward.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

/3,0/1,-4/-2,0/2,2/-2,0/4,-1/0,-3/

Been looking into parity + cubeshape, found out that there's some interesting cases to be wary of. I first thought they were bad, but quickly realised they were useful. Does anyone currently inspect for parity on sq-1? I'll be starting to learn this soon hopefully.