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But if you know full EP, then there really isn't any "parity", right?
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But if you know full EP, then there really isn't any "parity", right?
Jokerman5656
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if you do look into that and get info i would love to read/watch what you come up with, please and thank you.
vcuber13
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if someone knows FULL oll for 4x4 is there still parity?
@bob
no one inspects for parity because it is too difficult to track the pieces during cubeshape and then to count the cylces
bobthegiraffemonkey
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No problem, I've sorted most of it, but I've also left some of the trickier stuff until last.
Then don't trace the pieces through to cubeshape
. For each shape, pick a solved position for each piece, it's arbitrary so pick an easy one, then trace using that reference. The real work in developing this method is using this to get to cubeshape with even parity.Working on this seemed like it would be fun and different, it's the only reason I'm learning sq-1.
vcuber13
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it sounds like you should read mikes sq1 bld tutorial
blade740
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Can it be done? Theoretically, absolutely. Mike Hughey's BLD stuff has clearly proven that it's possible.
Can it be done in 15 seconds of inspection? I doubt it. At least not reliably. And even then, you have a ridiculously difficult inspection, possibly bad cubeshape algs (depending on the case, I guess... harder cases will be "easier" to affect parity without increasing length much, whereas easy cases will require you to backtrack before solving).
Even then... with Parity CP, parity just isn't that much of a solve-killer. A bad cubeshape hurts my solve as much as parity does.
Can it be done in 15 seconds of inspection? I doubt it. At least not reliably. And even then, you have a ridiculously difficult inspection, possibly bad cubeshape algs (depending on the case, I guess... harder cases will be "easier" to affect parity without increasing length much, whereas easy cases will require you to backtrack before solving).
Even then... with Parity CP, parity just isn't that much of a solve-killer. A bad cubeshape hurts my solve as much as parity does.
TiLiMayor
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I was wondering, is there any top u-perm algs with the solved edge on B? I haven't found any site which lists top u-perms other than those with the bar on F..
blade740
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TiLiMayor
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Thank you..
blade740
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These are just the mirrors of the normal algs with the bar on F. Square-1 mirroring is weird.
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How many permutation algs do I need to memorize at the very least to be able to solve a square-1?
How many permutation algs do I need to memorize at the very least to be able to solve a square-1?
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/3,-3/0,3/-3,0/3,0/-3,0/ (switch bottom two front corners)
/6,6/ (switch layers)
-2,0/3,0/-1,-1/-2,1/ (switches back two edges on top and bottom)
/-3,0/0,3/0,-3/0,3/2,0/0,2/-2,0/4,0/0,-2/0,2/-1,4/0,-3/0,3 (parity)
Renslay
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I need an algorithm for Square-1. I knew it, just forgot it (didn't solve a Squere-1 in a year...)
It swaps UR-DR and DF-DB. If I recall well, I started with (1,0) or (0, -1) followed by a (3,0) or (-3,0), and also had a (1,1) or (-1,-1). Something like
(0,-1) / (3,0) / (1,1) / ...
and also had something like (-4,-1) in it. It was around 6 or 7 R2 turns.
Or can you tell me any algorithm, which swaps UR-DR and leaves everything on the top layer in place?
It swaps UR-DR and DF-DB. If I recall well, I started with (1,0) or (0, -1) followed by a (3,0) or (-3,0), and also had a (1,1) or (-1,-1). Something like
(0,-1) / (3,0) / (1,1) / ...
and also had something like (-4,-1) in it. It was around 6 or 7 R2 turns.
Or can you tell me any algorithm, which swaps UR-DR and leaves everything on the top layer in place?
yockee
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You'll love this site. I have a link to the ultimate site for Sq1 algs. It has algs for all optimal shape cases, as well as algs for ALL EP cases, including alternates and mirrors, and has extras such as PLL for Sq1, etc.
http://hem.bredband.net/_zlv_/rubiks/
http://hem.bredband.net/_zlv_/rubiks/
Renslay
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Found it! It was
(0,-1) / (3,0) / (3,0) / (1,1) / (-4,-1) / (-3,0) / (0,1)
(So, there are two (3/0) after each other... I didn't remember that.)
Thanks!
yockee
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Can't you just do a U2 and do the alg with the bar on the front? It's a super easy alg.
vcuber13
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This I think is the normal opp-w:
1,0 / 5,-1 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 0,-3 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 5,3
But I was messing around and found this, which I think is faster.
1,0 / 5,-1 / -3,0 / 1,1 / -3,0 / 0,-3 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 5,3
What do you guys think of it?
1,0 / 5,-1 / -2,1 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 0,-3 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 5,3
But I was messing around and found this, which I think is faster.
1,0 / 5,-1 / -3,0 / 1,1 / -3,0 / 0,-3 / 3,0 / -1,-1 / -2,1 / 5,3
What do you guys think of it?
MTGjumper
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You realise that's just the standard alg with the M2 in the middle done slightly differently, right?
blade740
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Is that the standard alg? I just use the mirror of Lars' W/opp: 0,-1/-3,0/0,1/3,0/0,-1/-2,-2/-1,0/-3,0/0,-1/0,3/
vcuber13
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i dont know if there is a standard really, but ive only seen that one and the one you posted. theres probably less than 20 people that know how to do it anyway
@simon i know but ive never seen it anywhere and think its quicker
@simon i know but ive never seen it anywhere and think its quicker
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