[Help Thread] Square-1 Discussion

[Robert-Y]

CP + Edge algs

(Swaps opposite corners)
1,0 / -4,-3 / -3,0 / -3,-3 / -3,0 / -2,-3 /

(Swaps left corners)
1,0 / 3,0 / 3,-3 / -1,2 / 1,-2 / 3,0 /

(Swaps right corners)
1,0 / 2,-1 / 0,-3 / 3,0 / -3,0 / -2,4 /

(Swaps front corners)
0,-1 / 4,-2 / -3,0 / 0,3 / 0,-3 / -1,2 /

(Swaps back corners)
4,-3 / -3,0 / -1,2 / 1,-2 / -3,3 / -3,0 /

Last year I was thinking about generating algs for full DF+PLL, but then I got kinda bored of square-1 once I got my official sub 20 average. I think there are roughly 144 cases with DF on top + 43 PLLs = 187 cases

 

[Outsmash]

I avg sub-25 now. I want to get to sub-20 consistently. Should I learn all EPs (non-parity)?
Are there EPs which are better off done using 2-look?

 

[brandbest1]

I avg sub-25 now. I want to get to sub-20 consistently. Should I learn all EPs (non-parity)?
Are there EPs which are better off done using 2-look?

Wow, you improve fast.
At this stage, do what you should do on 3x3: slow down and look-ahead.
Except in Square-1 it's actually "turn smoothly, look ahead, and try not to pop or lock up."

 

[Outsmash]

Wow, you improve fast.
At this stage, do what you should do on 3x3: slow down and look-ahead.
Except in Square-1 it's actually "turn smoothly, look ahead, and try not to pop or lock up."

So extra EP algs don't necessarily make you that much faster?
And thanks ^.^
Plus, how exactly do I lookahead? I can, to a limit but not like the 3x3, the "slice" takes so much with it (if you get what I mean).

 

[brandbest1]

So extra EP algs don't necessarily make you that much faster?
And thanks ^.^
Plus, how exactly do I lookahead? I can, to a limit but not like the 3x3, the "slice" takes so much with it (if you get what I mean).

During EO, you can predict the CP if you use the right algs. And if you watch my old video on CubingWorld from Season 1 about Preserving EP during CP, it'll help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0joCviTxT8M

 

[Lid]

adj-parity with an even number of twists: /3,0/3,3/0,-3/2,3/2,-4/4,-2/0,-2/2,-4/1,1/0,-3/-3,-3/3,0 [12|31]

 

[vcuber13]

why cant i get sub 14.5?

 

[brandbest1]

good opp-adj EO alg that preserves corner permutation?

 

[blade740]

hahaha, I still haven't leaned a dedicated opp/adj alg... i just do M2 then single swap.

 

[Nathan Dwyer]

I avg sub-25 now. I want to get to sub-20 consistently. Should I learn all EPs (non-parity)?

you can if you want to get serious about square-1, but it's certainly not necessary. I average sub-15 and i just use 2 look EP for the most part.

 

[brandbest1]

you can if you want to get serious about square-1, but it's certainly not necessary. I average sub-15 and i just use 2 look EP for the most part.

Wait since when did you average sub-15?

 

[Lid]

good opp-adj EO alg that preserves corner permutation?

I use those two:
(0,-1) / (3,0) / (-3,0) / (1,1) / (3,0) / (-3,0) / (-1,0)
(1,0) / (0,-3) / (0,3) / (-1,-1) / (0,-3) / (0,3) / (0,1)

 

[Bh13]

Hello, sorry if I'm repeating stuff or sounding like a noob.
I just learned how to solve the square-one, and want to get fast at it. The method I currently use is:
For cubeshape I line up all the edges and then do a few moves, or if the shape is easy enough I solve it intuitively.
I know two OLL algs, 1,0/-1,-1/, and -1,0/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/. I orient all the corners and then use these to orient the edges.
I know three Pll algs, an R and J perm, a double R perm, and a perm that swaps two edges diagonally in each layer. I can also do a few edge perms intuitively.
For Parity, I usually solve both layers enough to tell if I have parity, and then I go on from there.

I average about 1:30-2:30. If anyone has advice I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

 

[brandbest1]

Hello, sorry if I'm repeating stuff or sounding like a noob.
I just learned how to solve the square-one, and want to get fast at it. The method I currently use is:
For cubeshape I line up all the edges and then do a few moves, or if the shape is easy enough I solve it intuitively.
I know two OLL algs, 1,0/-1,-1/, and -1,0/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/. I orient all the corners and then use these to orient the edges.
I know three Pll algs, an R and J perm, a double R perm, and a perm that swaps two edges diagonally in each layer. I can also do a few edge perms intuitively.
For Parity, I usually solve both layers enough to tell if I have parity, and then I go on from there.

I average about 1:30-2:30. If anyone has advice I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks

First off, I think by -1,0/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/ you mean 0,-1/4,1/-4,-1/4,1,/-3,0/ right?

Well if you want, you could try the advanced method for cubeshape. In my opinion, it's not much harder than the beginner method for cubeshape. I learned it from here by David Woner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAr0b3ffI1k
I also have a tutorial that I made on CubingWorld for Advanced Cubeshape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3KzTwitLI

For Edge Orientation, try this alg: 1,0/3,0/3,0/-1,-1/-2,1/-3,0/ . It preserves Corner Permutation so you can look ahead into the next step.

What your alg for the R-Perm? I never really heard of using the R-Perm for PLL. Also, your description kinda made it sound like you cram both Corner Permutation and Edge Permutation in one step.

There are some vital EP's everyone Square-1 solver should know: (M2 just means 1,0/-1,-1/0,1)
Opp-opp: M2 U2 M2
CwU-CwU: 1,0/5,-1/-3,0/1,1/-3,0/
CcwU-CcwU: 1,0/3,0/-1,-1/3,0/-5,1/
There are much more I can't think of right on the top of my head.

And finally, what's your parity alg?

Let me know if you have any questions

 

[asce06]

wich ep do you use i want to brake thesub 20

 

[asce06]

you can if you want to get serious about square-1, but it's certainly not necessary. I average sub-15 and i just use 2 look EP for the most part.

wich are your ep list i m stuk in t sub 2 barrier can you help me?

 

[Nathan Dwyer]

wich are your ep list i m stuk in t sub 2 barrier can you help me?

I actually learned from a website that is no longer around, but a good place to start is Lars Vandenbergh's site

 

[asce06]

I actually learned from a website that is no longer around, but a good place to start is Lars Vandenbergh's site

yea but i mean if you arent full ep which ep do you use? thankyou

 

[brandbest1]

yea but i mean if you arent full ep which ep do you use? thankyou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3e-jKybIC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYl1yyVw6SA

These EP's were actually the majority of the EP's I used to get sub-20. You should also learn Opp, O, and W. After that learn EP's that bother you.

EDIT: H and Z too.

 

[Nathan Dwyer]

yea but i mean if you arent full ep which ep do you use? thankyou

Just start with the 2 looks plus adj-adj and opp-opp. So z perm, u perms, h perm