[Help Thread] ZZ and ZB Discussion

[uvafan]

I'm looking for fewer algorithms. No zbll or zzll.

Probably ZZ with just normal OCLL/PLL is fine then. If you really want to add on some WV, then learn some easy WV cases. Same thing for some CLS cases.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Probably ZZ with just normal OCLL/PLL is fine then. If you really want to add on some WV, then learn some easy WV cases. Same thing for some CLS cases.

What if I would learn a lot algorithms?

 

[uvafan]

What if I would learn a lot algorithms?

Either both Winter and summer variation, ZZLL with phasing, or ZZ-d with 2GLL. For ZZ-d, you would want to take a look at porkynator's approach.

 

[CubeRoots]

just learn loads of zblls

 

[mDiPalma]

For the most fun, try ZZF2L-1 with a Heise finish.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Did an mo12 for splits.
EOLine-First block-Second Block-Last Layer
4.75-8.33-5.11-5.46
23.73 ao12 which is my zz PB.

Which step needs the most work? What tips do you have?

 

[porkynator]

If you want to learn some more algs but not too many, COLL + EPLL can be good. I think it's one of the most common LL methods for ZZ.

 

[uvafan]

If you want to learn some more algs but not too many, COLL + EPLL can be good. I think it's one of the most common LL methods for ZZ.

Unless he cares about OH, he shouldn't learn COLL/EPLL over OCLL/PLL. Also TheNextFeliks your EOLine and first block need some work.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

If you want to learn some more algs but not too many, COLL + EPLL can be good. I think it's one of the most common LL methods for ZZ.

Ok. I know 3/4 of the H cases and 2/6 of the pi cases. I'm planning on learning the last H and the rest of the pi cases.

 

[uvafan]

Ok. I know 3/4 of the H cases and 2/6 of the pi cases. I'm planning on learning the last H and the rest of the pi cases.

OCLL/PLL is just fine. If you want to get faster, practice F2L more. COLL may or may not shave a tiny amount off your 2H times, but your times will drop fairly fast if you just solve at your speed.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

TheNextFeliks's ZZ Guide/Tutorial

Someone PMed me about ZZ. Here is some info I gave them.

First choose an orientation. The best to do for following this tutorial is with White/Yellow on U/D and Green/Blue on F/B. If you do white/yellow U/D and Red/Orange F/B, swap Red/Orange with Green/Blue and vice versa.

How to recognize good and bad edges?

Pieces in the U and D layers:
1. If White or yellow is facing up or down, good
2. If red or orange is facing up or down, bad
3. If white or yellow is facing out (not on U or D), bad

Pieces in E layer:
1. If Red or orange is on F or B, bad
2. If white or yellow is on F or B, good

How to Fix Bad Edges:

Doing an F/F' or a B/B' will change the orientation of the four edges in that layer. So.

4 bad edges:
Put them all in the F or B layer then do an F/F' or a B/B'

2 bad:
Harder to explain. First put one edge in F or B. Then do an F/F' or a B/B'. Replace the first edge with the second edge. Then do another F/F' or B/B'. Example: FR and UR are bad. F' to fix FR. Then U to replace FR with UR. Then do F to fix UR.

6:
I do 4+2
Or do 3+3. Put three in F or B. Next do a F/F'/B/B'. Then, take the newly misoriented edge and the other three bad and solve like 4.

8:
4+4. Either place all 8 bad in F and B then do one turn on each. Sometimes I'll place the bad edges, sometimes I'll put the good edges in the S-layer.

10:
4+4+2. Put two good in S-layer then do a turn on F and B. Then solve the two remaining bad

12:
Rare 4+4+4. Do quarter turn on F and B. Then fix four edges in S-layer. D' R' F2 R2 D2 F would solve it.

ZZF2L Tips:

I am pretty bad at zzf2l. But whatever. If you have, for example, DR paired with DRF, match that block up with FR.

Take advantage of empty slots.

Do one block at a time, not simultaneous. But if you have a good pair for other block it is okay (because it is more efficient).

If you have the back slot open in a block, do an L/R'. First, it gives you better lookahead (don't have to scan the back), also you can just do a U/U'/U2 and an L'/R which saves a move.

So that's all. I'll do an example solve or three later.

 

[uvafan]

More complete and simply better text tutorial here: http://cube.crider.co.uk/zz.php

Sorry TheNextFeliks, it's already been done better.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

More complete and simply better text tutorial here: http://cube.crider.co.uk/zz.php

Sorry TheNextFeliks, it's already been done better.

I know. I just felt like posting these.

 

[KingTim96]

Thanks good sir. Are you going to Indiana 2013 TheNextfeliks?

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Thanks good sir. Are you going to Indiana 2013 TheNextfeliks?

I'm moving so it'll be like a 7-8 hour drive so no. Even from here is like 4 hours which is pretty far.

 

[uvafan]

Btw, you should at least mention that you can do 6 bad edges by doing 3 while making another bad, then doing 4. In fact this way is much more efficient on average then 4+2.

 

[TheNextFeliks]

Btw, you should at least mention that you can do 6 bad edges by doing 3 while making another bad, then doing 4. In fact this way is much more efficient on average then 4+2.

I know. I don't do it much though so I may have simply forgotten I'll add it.

 

[aznanimedude]

Fewer algs means oll/pll. Potential to move on to other variants later on,learn coll

 

[TDM]

Which way of phasing is better: algorithms or intuitive?

 

[TheNextFeliks]

I think I am going to learn zz-b at some point. Should I learn full coll first? Or just go for it?