Need help in 5x5x5 cube edge pairing

[Neutrals01]

Hmm...after pairing up 8 tredges... I store the solved tredges 4 on upper and 4 on bottom face..then the remaining 4 tredges to be solved at the middle layer(FL, FR, BR, BL)..I usually take lots of time for this part because there isn't any more place for me to store my tredges and it usually takes 2~4 mins+ just for this part...hmm..any tips on how to improve this part?(I watched some videos and read threads but many uses diff method from what I do.)

Btw I am still quite slow with 5x5, average around 8~10 mins(centres avg 2mins,8 tredges avg 3mins,last 4 tredges 2~4mins,3x3 around 40+ secs)..most of the times are taken at the last 4 tredges..really have to improve my 5x5, my 4x4 avg 3mins...I see a big problem here..5x5 slower than 4x4 by around 6 mins..

 

[DavidWoner]

I watched some videos and read threads but many uses diff method from what I do.)

well since what you are using now is slow, maybe you should learn one of those methods...

 

[Neutrals01]

I watched some videos and read threads but many uses diff method from what I do.)

well since what you are using now is slow, maybe you should learn one of those methods...

not exactly that slow...I just switched from another method(much slower) to this method after watching yu nakajima's youtube video...but I do not understand how he pair up the last 4 tredges because he shows some example solves(and he turns quite fast without explaning properly<just pointing>)...so I post this to find out how exactly to solve the remaining 4 tredges without breaking up the previous tredges..

 

[Cerberus]

at that method he cares about the "permutation" of the 1x3 blocks so he can simply turn like u2 d' to restore the centers and there he is planning that this moves will also form 2 more tredges and leave him with just 2 to do, I just tried it once and it was nasty but now I just thought about it and maybe I should do 2/3 of two and then restore 2/3 of the centers, so the last step will be pretty easy too. I will do it now and then edit this post.

works good, but it needs training like everything.

Oh and btw: I use eriks/arnauds method for the last 4 tredges or often for all 12, it depens on my mood ^^

 

[jonny guitar]

I pair up approx 8 (sometimes 7) and put them on top and bottom, set centers correct and then put 2 complete tredges on the back edges . I then solve the remainder Avgalen method that he has in the tutorial section which allows for pretty much one type of parity fix. It seems to me to be the fastest way that I can do it because it has the benifits of both methods....however I ain't no screaming speed demon on the 5x5.

 

[DavidWoner]

I pair up approx 8 (sometimes 7) and put them on top and bottom, set centers correct and then put 2 complete tredges on the back edges . I then solve the remainder Avgalen method that he has in the tutorial section which allows for pretty much one type of parity fix. It seems to me to be the fastest way that I can do it because it has the benifits of both methods....however I ain't no screaming speed demon on the 5x5.

yeah this is actually what i would recommend, since avg/double edge pairing is fastest when there are only a few incomplete tredges. it makes look-ahead a lot easier.

i think my double edge pairing is different from most people's, i know it is different from erik's at least. he makes one pair, which breaks the centers, then inserts then restores the centers, making the second pair. i do all my setups before breaking centers, then perform one intuitive "alg"(+ mirror) to pair both. i think it makes lookahead a little easier since i can search while performing the "alg". i am best at this on 4x4, where i average about 25 sec for edges. my 5x5 edges are significantly slower(about 80 sec) because i never practice and lookahead is different when there are centers to pair against.

however, the placement of the incomplete tredges depends on your buffer slot and whether you pair on M or E. i pair on M with UF as my buffer, so i place the last 4 at UF, UB, RF/RB, and LF/LB, which insures the fewest setup moves if you do inital setup properly.