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Magics Removed from WCA Events List in 2013?

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Eh, got bored of it in a month. I hope for a nice replacement.

IMO, Skewb is just another 2x2-type event.
I've only solved Master Skewb with Skewb+commutators; IMO, uninteresting.
Sq-1 BLD, Team BLD, and 8x8 interest me, although 8x8 is rather lengthy.

I'm sure WCA will make great decisions.
 
The integrity of the Rubik's Magic and Master Magic results is perhaps the most suspect of all events. I have seen more results from Magic and MM on youtube in which regulations were broken but penalties were not given than any other event. Most people who judge Magic don't know how to do so. From an administrative POV, the events are a nightmare. The only valid way I see to keep Magic and MM as events would be if the puzzles were actually scrambled instead of starting from the standard position. The biggest problem with that, though, is that there are a very limited number of scrambles for each puzzle and very very very few people actually know how to scramble a Magic (and a notation for doing so would probably have to be pretty complicated).

If 8x8 becomes an event, I promise I will never hold it. Ever. I would still like to see feet, 6x6 and 7x7 be removed. I think these events are worse than the Magics.
 
cityzach said:
Yeah, magic can go, but master magic should stay since it doesn't have the same judging problems as magic :P
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oh yeah, I don't care about normal magic. It's not like we do good on them anyway :p
But master magic should stay. It's more fun and violations are easier to catch.

oh, and Bob, this won't help the decision but I took note of violated regulations at CSP Spring. I had quite a few penalties for the people that I judged :p
 
MirzaCubing said:
oh yeah, I don't care about normal magic. It's not like we do good on them anyway :p
But master magic should stay. It's more fun and violations are easier to catch.

oh, and Bob, this won't help the decision but I took note of violated regulations at CSP Spring. I had quite a few penalties for the people that I judged :p
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I can personally vouch for the validity of results at competitions on the East Coast, but the world is pretty big. I'm sure there have been many competitions in which Magic times were achieved but not deserved. I also have a lot of experience with competitors saying, "Oh, why was that a DNF? I stopped the timer like that at [insert competition here] and it was fine."

The judges for our competitions are typically just Tim, Kian, Jaclyn, and myself. Each of us have judged probably thousands of solves so we know exactly what we're looking for, but this isn't the case everywhere. The worst is when I hear of competitions in which people just find somebody to judge them in Magic. :/
 
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Iggy said:
HOW THE HECK CAN THIS HAPPEN I LOVE MAGIC
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Tyson said:
There has been overwhelming support by the WCA delegates and the board to remove Magic and Master Magic from competitions because they aren't puzzles, and are notoriously difficult to regulate. There is really little confidence that any given time in these events was done under fair conditions.
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^That's how the heck this can happen, and unfortunately, whether you love magic or not, the decision isn't based on how many people love the event considering results' validity discrepancy.
 
To anyone who cares: Every all rounder needs to improve drastically in every event otherwise Feliks is almost certainly going to become the new leader of the sum of single ranks and average ranks by the end of this year XD. He wont even need to compete :p
 
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