Waffle's Roux Tutorial

You found the one case that doesn't solve a 3-cycle as a 3-cycle. But it's also a case that really doesn't matter. It only adds one more move to that case, and that is made up for by not having recognition time.

So the solution is: M2UMU2MU2M2U2 compared to the old way of M2U'M2U2MU2M.

On my first try to solve F2 M' F2 M U M2 I even needed 2 more moves M2UMU2M'U2M2U2M2 than the old way, but this case never happend to me in real solves.

But using this in praxis feels really good because silly 'errors' like last 4b move = U first 4c move = U2 won't happen anymore.
 
Thinking back to nouxb times... Ah yes. My old thread. Stuff that was fired at me and I didn't understand any of it. Well now I do...
Any of you actually tried Roux CLS? Or any of you use KCLL in practice?
 
Did it work?
I tried both too but for KCLL it seems such a small advantage; and CLS was awkward.
However, the reason could be just because I'm not used to it.

Btw, I did not try them together like you did... That seems even more awkward... But as I said earlier, it might be because I'm not used to it.

Ive also been experimenting with 'setting' up the second block during the first...
 
I don't understand you. I know multiple CLLs for each case and use a specific one to give me a good case. If there's an EO skip I'll do COLL, for example. Or sometimes I'll do M2 before CLL to skip EO. Happens a lot more in OH.
 
I don't understand you. I know multiple CLLs for each case and use a specific one to give me a good case. If there's an EO skip I'll do COLL, for example. Or sometimes I'll do M2 before CLL to skip EO. Happens a lot more in OH.

Ah right I see what you mean now. You know many algs for each case and know how it affects LSE. Well that's what KCLL is... Right, so it's just from ages of experience then...

Which reminds me. I need to go finish off learning COLL for CFOP and Petrus.
And now, Roux... Not that it's necessary but it'll give me an advantage.
 
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Roux optimized CLS+A set of KCLL was something I tried.

...Any of you actually tried Roux CLS?

I'm not sure I get the CLS concept right within Roux:

- Step3 get replaced by CLS (M-Slice, EO disruption allowed) -- Is there some "commutator magic" available to do this without so many algs?
- Step4a get replaced by CP + EO in one go ( A subset of KCLL if I'm right) -- Is there a List of algs somewhere ?

Knowing A KCLL would also be a simple and efficient way to handel NMCLL I believe.
 
Well, for CLS I tried MGLS as I was too lazy to come up with my own algs. Yes commutators are possible though.
Personally I don't think it's particularly practical.

KCLL is vaguely defined so we all have different ways of doing it.
Either learn lots of algs for every case, or as Thom said earlier, know how it affects edges and therefore know which one to use (over time it is inevitable you know multiple algs for each case.)
Now I do the latter; I know COLL too and also know multiple algs for most of the cmlls. So I incorporate it into my solves now by acknowledging the edge orientation and doing a specific one to give me a good case.

To clarify, KCLL is CMLL but influencing EO.
 
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