Waffle's Roux Tutorial

[StachuK1992]

Yo waffle did you ever find CLS algs?
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[waffle=ijm]

lol I need aCube4 for that

 

[jms_gears1]

How many possible 4b cases are there?

 

[Cool Frog]

How many possible 4b cases are there?

4, with no AMS

 

[jms_gears1]

4, with no AMS

wait, isnt there 8 at least? 4 with U on U and 4 with D on U

 

[5BLD]

wait, isnt there 8 at least? 4 with U on U and 4 with D on U

10 distinct cases. I think...
Let's try to list them all although it would be much easier to calculate mathematically.
No flip
Two up opposite
Two up
Four up adjacent
One down one up
One down three up
Two down
Two down two up opposite
Two down two up adjacent
Two down four up

Yah, 10 I think.
Although I remember someone telling me there were 11.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Omg. I'm not gonna name names but I use the most basic roux and I don't use fancy tricks. Kthx

 

[Jaycee]

Bump because apparently this is the Roux method's home thread >

Not a pointless bump, however.

1)For a person who just started using Roux, how long do you think it should take before they're sub-30?
2)Are there any ways to get faster at EO and UL/UR permutation other than "Drill, drill, drill!"?
3)On average, how many moves should each block take at a beginner level? (I'm thinking 12-15, then 15-18 becos beginner level.)
4)How did you train your look-ahead? Even in CFOP, I just can't do it.
5)Am I the only one who loves L6E more than anything else Roux-related? xD

Sorry if these have been answered in this thread; I've only watched the first 2 videos in the OP and haven't read anything else in this thread.

 

[waffle=ijm]

1) Depends on how much you practice. I was sub-30 in about 2 weeks, but was not sub-20 for 2 years.
2) Try combining the substeps by looking for a different way of doing EO. Usually you can find small tricks yourself
3) 15 at max I would say is okay for a beginner but you need to work on lowering your moves before you can lower your times
4) Solve without pauses even if you have to turn SUPER slow
5) Nope, LSE is my fav part.


EDIT - Bumping this thread doesn't really matter as long as you have content to add. Because this is a how-to thread, in my opinion, questions that relate to this is fine.

 

[Phlippieskezer]

1)For a person who just started using Roux, how long do you think it should take before they're sub-30?
2)Are there any ways to get faster at EO and UL/UR permutation other than "Drill, drill, drill!"?
3)On average, how many moves should each block take at a beginner level? (I'm thinking 12-15, then 15-18 becos beginner level.)
4)How did you train your look-ahead? Even in CFOP, I just can't do it.
5)Am I the only one who loves L6E more than anything else Roux-related? xD

Hello. I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.

1) I probably shouldn't answer this. I hit sub-30 in a day or two after switching to Roux, but I progressed really quickly, from what I gather. I spent those two days doing pretty much nothing but cubing, though...
2) Only thing I can really think of is slow down and try to understand how the pieces move. Practice, and try to understand what it is you're doing.
3) Differs from person to person, but I always used this page, which says how many moves you should aim for depending on your current time barrier.
4) Slow down, look ahead. Generic advice, but it works, though I still struggle with look ahead myself. However, one thing I can say, is that I averaged around 1.88 TPS when I averaged around 25 seconds. Turning fast isn't the only important thing in Roux.
5) No. It's my favourite part too. I used to hate M-slices until I wandered it Roux. Now I LOVE them! :3

 

[waffle=ijm]

3) Differs from person to person, but I always used this page, which says how many moves you should aim for depending on your current time barrier.

http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/sub15guidetoroux.htm also [/shameless advertising]

 

[Jaycee]

So these are my time breakdowns for all 4 steps. I did my first Ao12 yesterday and got 1:15-ish.

First block with LONG inspection time and slow turning : 5.40, 4.35, 9.22, 5.53, 8.25, 5.70, 7.69, 4.06, 5.41, 7.46, 4.29, 5.70 = 5.98

I think I'm pretty good with this now. Either that or I've gotten a lot of easy scrambles. If I turned faster I probably would've been faster but I was using this time to train my look-ahead. :3

Second block with somewhat long inspection time and slow turning : 10.54, 12.13, 9.53, 17.19, 14.40, 14.31, 11.76, 12.93, 10.32, 10.54, 10.00, 13.09 = 12.00

Um. I suck. I just can't find my pieces well enough and move them to the correct position without losing them. I also have trouble with keeping my moves limited to R, r, U, and M. This was with inspection and a planned solution so I'd actually say I average 20-25 with this.

2-Look CMLL : 4.01, 3.33, 3.61, 3.89, 4.31, 3.92, 3.39, 5.98, 3.65, 0.99, 3.01, 2.75, 4.63, 3.82, 1.82, 3.37, 2.38, 1.09, 4.45, 0.98 = 3.24

All sup-4s had diag-swap permutation -.- I'd definitely add on another 4 or 5 seconds if I'm using a weird color scheme and for orientation recognition, and because I'm not always that fast. O.o

L6E : 7.82, 12.62, 4.96, 6.98, 5.33, 7.25, 11.33, 12.00, 10.69, 1.02, 8.52, 10.62, 7.97, 7.53, 9.73, 4.38, 10.95, 9.80, 10.76, 5.19 = 8.43.

A lot of lucky cases but still great. I need to be warmed up to do this well, and you can safely add on 4 or 5 seconds if I'm not or using a color scheme I'm not 100% used to.

So, here are my step time breakdowns using just these times.

First Block = 6 seconds
Second Block = 12 seconds
2-Look CMLL = 4 seconds
L6E = 9 seconds

Total : 31 seconds. Well, that can't be right! Considering this is all with inspection time I'd probably say I'm more like this.

First Block = 8-9 seconds
Second Block = 20-25 seconds
2LCMLL - 6-8 seconds
L6E = 9-15 seconds

Total : 43-57 seconds. Huh. That still doesn't seem right. Let me do an Ao5. I'll post the results in a few minutes.

 

[Jaycee]

Hmph. My dad's making me get off. :/

I did one solve. My time was 34.92 O.o

I'll do the rest tomorrow afternoon.

~Jaycee

 

[Jaycee]

Ummm...... SO 2 or 3 days ago I averaged 1:15 with Roux.

Now :

34.92, 42.70, 43.42, 39.08, 36.42 = 39.40 Average of 5. LOL.

 

[Divineskulls]

First average of five after really practicing with Roux:

49.98, 52.95, 52.60, 49.63, 41.32----> 50.74

Here's a real quick breakdown:

First block:13.55
Second block:15.01
2LCMLL:6.23
L6E:20.82

Jeez, I need to work on everything. O.o

I can't seem to get used to the blockbuilding, after *temporarily* switching from CFOP. :/

 

[waffle=ijm]

...you don't get blockbuilding in one sitting...or even a few weeks.

 

[5BLD]

Examples of random LSE tricks please.

 

[cubersmith]

Is it just me or is Roux becoming waaay more popular than petrus?

 

[5BLD]

It is and I don't want it to be. I might switch to Petrus.

Edit: or CFOP. a while back I wanted to but Roux was too cool to switch.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Stop saying you'll switch because in the end, all we ever do is solve a cube. The end result is the same. Pick a method, use the method to the fullest, and (lack of better words) shut up.