Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

[Antcuber]

hopefully cubedepot will still stock guhong and lingyuns

 

[masterofthebass]

That would have been a sight to see.

That 7% claim is ********. KV said outright he was never consulted about that.

I saved the web archive. If I can figure out how to extract its elements, I'll upload that if you want.

 

[HavoCentral]

Didn't C4Y release the 1st Gigaminx not so long ago?
Does that make this MF8 version a KO?
http://mefferts.com/page.php?lang=en&theme=new_puzzle_release

Is the the gigaminx even patented.

@masterofthebass - Do you happen to know which brand that is? LanLan, DianSheng, Ghost Hand, YJ, I believe those are all the 7x7 KOs.

 

[masterofthebass]

This was the first YJ before anyone else had made one.


Also, the gigaminx was not patented. Drewseph was actually quite annoyed that C4Y took his design and mass produced it too, but thats a whole other argument.

 

[~Phoenix Death~]

That 7% claim is ********. KV said outright he was never consulted about that.

I saved the web archive. If I can figure out how to extract its elements, I'll upload that if you want.

Do want

 

[masterofthebass]

http://cube.danrcohen.com/mefferts/

Thats the webarchive I saved back on 2/23/09

 

[Stefan]

That 7% claim is ********. KV said outright he was never consulted about that.

Did Meffert claim the inventors were consulted?

 

[masterofthebass]

I guess not, they were still selling a KO without permission from the inventor. I just assumed that securing a royalty agreement would include a consultation.


Anyway, this thread should sort of get back on topic.

 

[HavoCentral]

Also, the gigaminx was not patented. Drewseph was actually quite annoyed that C4Y took his design and mass produced it too, but thats a whole other argument.

Sorta on topic, wasnt the gigaminx and other higher order megaminxs, based on V mechs

 

[masterofthebass]

yes, but as a non NxN cube, I don't think V-Cubes thought their design infringed on their patent.

 

[Fire Cuber]

So what you don't think you can buy Guhongs anymore? LOL right back at ya

And if you don't think the Dayan is superior then you don't know what a good cube is. If it wasn't for the popping it would be an almost perfect cube. Just look at how much the WR dropped when the Dayan was used. ALMOST 5 SECONDS.

I get your point. Also I'm referring to the size of dayan actually.

 

[Tyson]

No one (including you, but except Tyson - to me it was not rocket science!) actually realised what was really going on
and I could not even breath while trying to reply to personal insults. The admins were also busy to delete all those (which was a good thing, but then others did not seem them to understand my own perspective) yet some people here were just fueling more (knowingly?) accusations and personal insults. At some point, it was impossible for me to prove that I am not an elephant. If there was a confusion or anger or whatever, it was (at best) a TEAM effort. And all that you mention above, are IRRELEVANT for the case, unless you like to only have my opinion, which is *unrelated* to the ebay action. (or unless you are trying again to cause trouble to me). If you or anyone else does not want to listen to me, then at least
listen to Tyson, who managed to find out what was going on.

I am so confused... what in the world did I find out in terms of what's going on?

(I leave for two days... and end up with an inbox with 70 e-mails and however many pages of discussion here.)

 

[ZamHalen]

I am so confused... what in the world did I find out in terms of what's going on?

(I leave for two days... and end up with an inbox with 70 e-mails and however many pages of discussion here.)

I think everyone thought you should know that the cubing community was going after the major sponsor of several competitions. And there is also the fact that it has angered a large percentage of the cubing community which you helped to create and it might be interesting for you.

 

[Tyson]

Is that it? I thought I knew something deeper and more enlightening. Yes, I am aware that the entire cubing community is up in flames over this, and people are very angry. I, like everyone here, have my own opinions regarding the matter.

I will say that without a lot of money, patent infringement claims are pretty much impossible to fight. The going rate is about $425 an hour, as per a friend of mine who works in patent law in San Diego. Of course, these types of things, because of their legal complexities, will easily run you a bill of $10k. Probably more... to be honest. If you aren't making boat loads of cash, and I think boat loads of cash means $100k (USD... oh, poor poor USD...), there's no way you could possibly afford the legal team to fight these claims.

In other words, I probably could have formed an LLC or some other type of company, (total cost, $249 for the registered agent, > $100 for the filing fees), filed a patent (about $500 if done well the first time, 2 years of time before it gets approved if I'm really good in the United States), submitted the forms to file such infringement reports to PayPal (this would take about 15 minutes. 18 if you have a slow internet connection) and prevent every major cube seller in China from utilizing PayPal, which is pretty much the life blood of their financial transactions.

What am I saying here? Fighting European and American law when you're a guy in Asia who doesn't even speak English sucks.

 

[y3k9]

[long quote]

The cubing community is rather small, and if the whole of it boycotts v-cube, I'm sure it'll have more if not the same effect as all that legal stuff.

 

[Tyson]

The cubing community is rather small, and if the whole of it boycotts v-cube, I'm sure it'll have more if not the same effect as all that legal stuff.

Yes, I agree with you. But at the same time, wouldn't it be nice to do things the right way? Vigilante justice is effective, and even comical when done on the internet. If there was a legal avenue to pursue, I would say it would be preferable to vigilante justice.

 

[y3k9]

Yes, I agree with you. But at the same time, wouldn't it be nice to do things the right way? Vigilante justice is effective, and even comical when done on the internet. If there was a legal avenue to pursue, I would say it would be preferable to vigilante justice.

I do not understand what you are saying.

 

[Sin-H]

I do not understand what you are saying.

He says we shouldn't prematurely boycott v-cubes, it would be better if we tried to carify this issue "on the legal avenue".

 

[y3k9]

He says we shouldn't prematurely boycott v-cubes, it would be better if we tried to carify this issue "on the legal avenue".

Then he clearly doesn't understand what I said. The community of cubers in this small world is fairly small. It is still there though, and v-cube is making money off of them (not saying that as if it's a bad thing, it's just business), but v-cube is now taking down cubes that they claim infringe their patents. Infringing or not these cubes are valuable to the community. By boycotting v-cube's products they'll understand that they are bringing nothing to the community but rather taking from it. Through legal action they will not get the message.

 

[Rpotts]

Then he clearly doesn't understand what I said. The community of cubers in this small world is fairly small. It is still there though, and v-cube is making money off of them (not saying that as if it's a bad thing, it's just business), but v-cube is now taking down cubes that they claim infringe their patents. Infringing or not these cubes are valuable to the community. By boycotting v-cube's products they'll understand that they are bringing nothing to the community but rather taking from it. Through legal action they will not get the message.

Evidence?