Dayan vs. V-Cube Patent Infringement

I'm new on this forum, but I want to say something from my experience.

I used to be a member of the online community related to NASCAR racing simulations. A lawsuit split the community in half, hurt a lot of people, made a lot of people angry, and in a way damaged the progress of that community.

I do not know if this legal claim is similar to that situation or not (and will not go into further detail), but please, please be careful not to judge the motives of Verdes or anyone else involved at this point. Please wait until more information comes out before coming to your own conclusions. It's hard, because I know I want to have all the information right away. Perhaps we will never know everything, but I hate to see a division in a community over something like this. For myself, I know that patience is needed, and I hope that relationships among a community will not be broken.

Sorry if I have spoken something out of line.

OFF TOPIC: I said I was new. I have been browsing the forums for about a week, as I am looking to buy a great cube and learn better tips for solving my cube faster. I have found this forum and the many reviews/discussions extremely helpful to sort through the myriad of choices available. I currently have a very simple method that gives me around 42-43s averages.
 
What's with these? IMO they should stop wasting time with stupid stuff and improve the V6 mechanism, release new cubes, etc. Whenever they release a 3x3 or 4x4, I highly doubt it will be the best on the market. It'll be more like, "I waited years for this...really?"
 
Slowpoke22 said:
What's with these? IMO they should stop wasting time with stupid stuff and improve the V6 mechanism, release new cubes, etc. Whenever they release a 3x3 or 4x4, I highly doubt it will be the best on the market. It'll be more like, "I waited years for this...really?"
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On that site, in the address, there is a lock with an x on it and the https is crossed out. what does this mean?
 
I looked at the V-3 image in the patent and at my own GuHong and I don't see much of a resemblance in the structural details. Larger parts of the structure are vaguely similar, sure, but they're equally similar to the original Rubik's Cube and to other 3x3x3 designs - there's really only one basic way to construct a speedsolving-worthy 3x3x3 cube.

Considering that the original point of Verdes's invention was to create a new way of making sturdy and fast bigcubes, it seems silly for them to care about a 3x3x3 design. And it seems malicious to try to bring down another type of 3x3x3 when the V-3 has not even been announced (as being on the road to production) to the community. But who knows, maybe they have a new 3x3 in the works...

Kurbitur said:
lets call anonymous and let them ruin everything that verde have put online
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V-cube hasn't put much online. I don't think it would be such a huge setback to them if their site was down for a few weeks or months.
 
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kastellorizo said:
One thing is for sure, the lawyers are not blinded (like I am) by their friendship with Verdes.
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Well, that's true. But you know what's stronger than friendship for lawyers? Money. How silly to think that Lawyers are objective truth-seekers and can only argue for the truth. Lawyers may not be 'blinded' by friendship, but they're blinded by money (which could be an even greater blinding force).

nickvu2 said:
...but, tread lightly, Lord Verde-mort may be watching.
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Shh. It's He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Blamed

kastellorizo said:
Verdes is NOT
making a profit of this.

And it seems some of you do not care about inventors, and only care about your pockets.
At least you could admit the *real* reality
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Well if he's not doing if for the profit, he must be doing it for the Cubing Community then right? Wrong. If he cared at all about the Community, he would see how much GuHongs have done good for the Community (i.e. oh, I dunno, the new 3x3 WR, 3x3 OH WR etc etc) and how much removing the GuHongs from major sources on the market will be overall bad for the Cubing Community. Or maybe he's doing for popularity. Does Verdes wanna be the most popular Cube name on the market (watch out Erno)? Well, either way I can say that he does not have the Cubing Community's best interest in mind.

For all those that think that this is about doing what's right and you know, "protecting the inventor" and whatnot, don't be that naive/deceptive. It's about money. We all know that. Why else would he go after the biggest selling 3x3 cube on the market right now, grasping at straws trying to find similarities to a product they weren't even planning to release? It just makes me sick that some people are still willing to defend Verdes even if it means having a monopoly on all cubing-related products.

Side-note: If they're claiming that the GuHong corners are similar to (or taken from) the V-Cube 5x5, then I think Rubik should stake a claim as the GuHong corners bare an even sharper resemblance to his Rubik's 4x4 corners (http://cubesmith.com/4x4 Corner.jpg).
 
PhillipEspinoza said:
If he cared at all about the Community, he would see how much GuHongs have done good for the Community (i.e. oh, I dunno, the new 3x3 WR, 3x3 OH WR etc etc) and how much removing the GuHongs from major sources on the market will be overall bad for the Cubing Community. Or maybe he's doing for popularity. Does Verdes wanna be the most popular Cube name on the market (watch out Erno)? Well, either way I can say that he does not have the Cubing Community's best interest in mind.

For all those that think that this is about doing what's right and you know, "protecting the inventor" and whatnot, don't be that naive/deceptive. It's about money. We all know that. Why else would he go after the biggest selling 3x3 cube on the market right now, grasping at straws trying to find similarities to a product they weren't even planning to release? It just makes me sick that some people are still willing to defend Verdes even if it means having a monopoly on all cubing-related products.
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I agree completely. Sure, Verdes made an entirely different design that pretty much took the cubing world by storm. Sure Verdes made a design for a 5x5 that was far superior to the previous mechanisms. Sure Verdes created patents for cubes that we weren't even able to fathom a few years ago. But what does he get from all that? I don't think he's doing it to say "I love the cubing community and I will provide you with cubes that will revolutionize the way you cube." No not at all. I respect the inventor and stuff for creating such a design, but looking for the most minuscule detail about another company's cube just so you can take it out? total bull****.
 
wow, whatever credibility I thought you may have had from your first post, kastellorizo, I lost immediately from your subsequent posts; now it's just immaturity
 
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So Verdes is releasing a new cube in a couple of months.
I for one will not be buying it unless this GuHong stuff gets dropped.
Feel free to join me if you agree.
It seems logical that if they lose enough money as a result of the action they are taking then they will stop.

The Maru issue was justifiable but I don't think this is.
 
I agree with waffle. Even though that their cubes are very good, that does not mean that they give a s*** about the community. It's like Wal-Mart, they both did something new and amazing, but at the end of the day it is all about money. If Verdes wants to try and attack Guhongs, fine let them. But then that also gives full rights to Rubik to go after Verdes. Right now I think that V-cube is just being a selfish little brat.
 
Aww man I missed all the action.


All I'm going to say is that V-cubes have gone about this completely the wrong way. I don't know why they thought they would just go about and force people to stop selling cubes without involving the community at all, but they should fear a very large backlash because they have already lost a lot of customers because of this silly issue.
 
Its weird that v-cube go for the guhong and lingyun, cause, like izovire said, only the corner are realy similar... And there is an diffrence between an 7x7 and 3x3...

Its almost like if an shampoo compagnie would go vs lubix lol. (Cause of the similar silicone that they put in shampoo.) Don't make sense o.o. Like i said in my first post, i thinked that v-cube will maybe try that an day, i was not thinking that seriously, and now they really go for it. its an little insane.

And there are probly only going for it, cause guhong and lingyun are the most popular 3x3, but v-cube still don't have 3x3's so that is not suppose to affect them.
 
What I find most amusing is that up until this point, no one has even had the slightest bit of concern that the dayan cubes came anywhere close to violating vcube's patent.
Even on the twistypuzzles forum, which is notorious for banning any sort of discussion of anything that even comes close to copying someone else's idea, there was no problem when the guhong was first announced there. If you look at the thread (citation), you only see comments saying things like "I'm pretty sure that this is NOT v-mechanism" and "I don't believe anyone thinks this is an infringement of the V-Cubes patent."

Yet this guy 'kastellorizo' seems to think that there is some obvious infringement here, and we all should have known that this was coming for months now. Yeah right >.>
 
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