Haiyan Zhuang banned for 1-3 years

[Tyson]

I just remembered.

Shane Rowland had a solve retroactivly DNF'd for cheating on it, but never got any sort of punishment.

...what?

The exact mechanics of this situation were very subtle. It is one thing to show that competition protocol was breached and there was an irregularity in the regulations. It is a whole different level to show that someone was deliberately cheating.

 

[Deleted member 4527]

Can anybody here gauge the probability of success for Zhuang's new CCA?

From the posts I'm reading on mf8, the probability so far is very high. I think he totally deserves a lifetime ban from the things I'm hearing now.

 

[Kian]

There is no room for this sort of ridiculous harassment of WCA delegates and a complete disrespect for all the people around him. He is more damaging to us than people who cheat, because those people can be handled with proper precaution. He is a selfish, egotistical maniac who is threatening people and his punishment is absolutely fair. I don't want to see a CCA either, but that doesn't mean that we can allow this sort of behavior. It's gone on for far too long.

 

[r_517]

This punishment seems to harsh, but I don't know the exact situation. All this seems to be doing is pushing the WCA-CCA split on.

中国有CCA,美国有WCA
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What?? :/
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WTF???!!! where did u find it?
anyway i don't wanna see this happen

I found it in here. Skimming through it with the little Chinese I know, I found that and was like what!?!

i would support CCA if it could make every one happy and enjoy, but the situation is, they abandoned all useful rules in WCA and create a BS rule which does no good to most not-that-quick cubers

 

[amostay2004]

i would support CCA if it could make every one happy and enjoy, but the situation is, they abandoned all useful rules in WCA and create a BS rule which does no good to most not-that-quick cubers

Any example of said rules?

 

[Owen]

There is no room for this sort of ridiculous harassment of WCA delegates and a complete disrespect for all the people around him. He is more damaging to us than people who cheat, because those people can be handled with proper precaution. He is a selfish, egotistical maniac who is threatening people and his punishment is absolutely fair. I don't want to see a CCA either, but that doesn't mean that we can allow this sort of behavior. It's gone on for far too long.

Yeah. I've never seen a cuber make such an insane decision.

Why would one even want to threaten someone over how many times you can solve a Rubik's cube?

 

[r_517]

i would support CCA if it could make every one happy and enjoy, but the situation is, they abandoned all useful rules in WCA and create a BS rule which does no good to most not-that-quick cubers

Any example of said rules?

CCA中国魔方联赛将采取完全新颖的魔方赛制。
例如：三阶速拧将采用世界杯足球的赛制。
第一轮为晋级赛，每位选手有5次速拧机会，前32名将进入第二轮。第二轮采用两两分组PK制，每两人分组5次PK，5局三胜，胜利者进入前16名，直至最终决出总冠军。

中国魔方联赛将同时推出中国排名王，每次联赛每个项目的前8名将获得一定的积分，所有项目的积分累加，这样就会出现一个真正的年度排名，时刻更新的排名。年度总积分第一的选手将获年度排名王的称号，同时前十名（暂定）选手将有额外的奖励

"CCA will have an entire new schedule."
"For example, 3x3x3 will use the schedule like FIFA World Cup."
"The first round will be qualification round. Every competitor has 5 chances. The top 32 cuber will succeed to the second round. From the second round, 1vs1 battle mode will be used. Who wins 3 out of 5 solves will succeed to next round until the final champion."
"Meanwhile we will have 'China Rank King'. Every top 8 cubers in every event in every competition will have some certain credit..."

Which means, you won't have any recording of yourself if you are not in top 8 of an event.

 

[a small kitten]

What is 1vs1 battle mode? That actually sounds pretty epic. Hope they have good music.

 

[r_517]

What is 1vs1 battle mode? That actually sounds pretty epic. Hope they have good music.

like badminton, table tennis, tennis etc.

lol it really sucks

 

[Bryan]

"CCA will have an entire new schedule."
"For example, 3x3x3 will use the schedule like FIFA World Cup."
"The first round will be qualification round. Every competitor has 5 chances. The top 32 cuber will succeed to the second round. From the second round, 1vs1 battle mode will be used. Who wins 3 out of 5 solves will succeed to next round until the final champion."
"Meanwhile we will have 'China Rank King'. Every top 8 cubers in every event in every competition will have some certain credit..."

Which means, you won't have any recording of yourself if you are not in top 8 of an event.

Yeah, the WCA rules that allow flexibility so that you can take more people to the next round if you have extra time, or just need a single round of something because it's long. I mean, who wouldn't want these?

How do they even expect this to work with something like 7x7, or will each event have a different "flavor"?

 

[freshcuber]

From what I've read it seems as though Haiyan is very petty. When you go back to the fundamentals of cubing and competition it's about the bonds we form and making friends (yeah it's cliche but it's true). When there's a competitor like Haiyan who is far ahead of everyone else he needs to be an exemplary person in competition. I'm a competative swimmer and the way I see would be like if Michael Phelps asked for extra heats of the 200 IM just so he could have more chances at breaking a world record. If Haiyan behaved like what was described then he is disrespectful towards the WCA, its delagates, the competition officials, as well as all other cubers. You're abilities do not make you exempt from the rules and I think this ban is a great way to show him that he cannot force his will upon others because he feels that BLD is so important.

If the CCA was going to happen then the WCA wasn't going to be able to stop it. China has a lot of political and social issues that people in America and other countries can't relate to. In the past China has made it very clear that they do not care for the rulses of other people, nations, or organizations. In the '08 Olympics we could all tell that the Chinese gymnastics team was made up of fifth graders (that may be an exaggeration but it was proved by CNN and other sources that those were children not of the age to compete). If China wants to bend the rules to gain attention to their cubers then I don't have a problem with a CCA. Although losing competitors such as Haiyan is a shame there will always be someone faster later on. Only a few world records that currently stand are even two years old. One is Eriks 7.08 single and even that has been crept up on considerably. Losing Chinese cubers is a shame and I don't want to see it happen since there are many who are pretty speedy but they can't use their poster boy (Haiyan) to intimidate the WCA.

I fully support the WCAs decision to ban Haiyan. He was given the chance to shorten his ban considerably and has already refused. To me that shows he doesn't really care much and he'll be happy to hold a CCA BLD record just as much as a WCA world record because honestly if he gets the world record in a CCA competition and it isn't recognized everyone will always be saying, "Well Haiyan does have a faster solve...it's just not official."

 

[AbelBrata]

What is 1vs1 battle mode? That actually sounds pretty epic. Hope they have good music.

like badminton, table tennis, tennis etc.

lol it really sucks

Actually we have already make this format several times in our unofficial competition in Jakarta as side event. We call it Rubik's Cube Duel. It is actually a nice event which everyone can feel the tension when watching 2 cubers head2head. The format is the first person who got 3 winning point is the winner of the duel. If you have watched "Karate Kid", you must know what I mean
Is it possible to make it an official event someday?

Uhmmm I guess Haiyan got the idea when he visited Indonesia. We were having this competition... we made an exhibition duel between Haiyan and Iril. Quite fun i think...

 

[Kirjava]

"Well Haiyan does have a faster solve...it's just not official."

What makes a CCA record less official than a WCA one?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

It is one thing to show that competition protocol was breached and there was an irregularity in the regulations. It is a whole different level to show that someone was deliberately cheating.

It's annoying that the intent cannot be proven. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[Chrish]

A banker can steal a bit of money every now and then because most of the time he's there he's doing his job, right?

People need to stop saying the ban is dumb because ''he was a good cuber''. So? If you personally had a legitimate chance at changing this ban by having a conversation with the people in charge, is that would you would tell them?

 

[jiggy]

"Well Haiyan does have a faster solve...it's just not official."

What makes a CCA record less official than a WCA one?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I'm interested in people's feelings on this too. Already, many people have said that they see the CCA as a bad thing. How would you react if Feliks or Erik was knocked off the top spot by a record from the CCA, with no WCA delegate present?

Would you accept it? Would you be suspicious? What is the WCA's standing on this? Would they accept another cubing association's record as official, or are we going to have two different rankings now?

 

[Kirjava]

People need to stop saying the ban is dumb because ''he was a good cuber''. So? If you personally had a legitimate chance at changing this ban by having a conversation with the people in charge, is that would you would tell them?

Literally no one has said this. Can you read a thread before posting in it?

 

[AbelBrata]

"Well Haiyan does have a faster solve...it's just not official."

What makes a CCA record less official than a WCA one?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I'm interested in people's feelings on this too. Already, many people have said that they see the CCA as a bad thing. How would you react if Feliks or Erik was knocked off the top spot by a record from the CCA, with no WCA delegate present?

Would you accept it? Would you be suspicious? What is the WCA's standing on this? Would they accept another cubing association's record as official, or are we going to have two different rankings now?

Suddenly I got this thought... Maybe in the future many other cubing organizations will emerge? Like in boxing, there are seven organizations: WBA (World Boxing Association), WBC (World Boxing Council), IBF (International Boxing Federation), WBO (World Boxing Organization), WBF (World Boxing Federation), IBC (International Boxing Council), and IBU (International Boxing Union). Geez.................

 

[Daniel Wu]

"Well Haiyan does have a faster solve...it's just not official."

What makes a CCA record less official than a WCA one?

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts.

I'm interested in people's feelings on this too. Already, many people have said that they see the CCA as a bad thing. How would you react if Feliks or Erik was knocked off the top spot by a record from the CCA, with no WCA delegate present?

Would you accept it? Would you be suspicious? What is the WCA's standing on this? Would they accept another cubing association's record as official, or are we going to have two different rankings now?

Suddenly I got this thought... Maybe in the future many other cubing organizations will emerge? Like in boxing, there are seven organizations: WBA (World Boxing Association), WBC (World Boxing Council), IBF (International Boxing Federation), WBO (World Boxing Organization), WBF (World Boxing Federation), IBC (International Boxing Council), and IBU (International Boxing Union). Geez.................

Note that all of those are international. CCA is hostile to outside control or any type of influence as far as I can see from reading the Chinese forum.

 

[number1failure]

3 years? I thought it would be something smaller, like 3 months or so.

 

[theace]

If he doesn't apologize, I guess he'll be a "memory"